Some good comments yesterday.
On the cops with bikes thing. That works best in highly populated areas. Im not sure its such a good thing in a rural area such as ours.
It might be good to do that with arkalalah.
Maybe some patrols.
Maybe we sould put em on horseback? :)
One of the reasons that property values go down is that people dont take care of their property.
Im all for stronger enforcement of housing and building codes.
Dept. heads etc do get car allowances.
Probably costs less than paying them mileage?
I liked the post about attitudes.
i dont like the cut back mentality.
So much of the state of our economy is set by attitudes.
THats something we can control.
We need to think differently.
The world has changed a lot over the last 20 years or so, what worked then doesnt work now, and certainl what worked 50 years ago doesnt work now.
We dont have the workers to fill the industry jobs we have now, so why do we need more industry.
We need different kinds of businesses. and more people.
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I think you are zeroing in on the problem! Which is the competition for the vision and direction of the area.
The reason that there aren't more businesses is due to the fact there is more risk than reward!
The fact that there aren't more people - even to fill all the industry jobs available - is that the ones we have do not attract a diversity of talent. Industry can provide more jobs of various talent!
Industry and business (retail or services) complement each other in the right environment. They feed on each others success.
How are you going to get'em to stay on the farm if you preach
education and can't give them a job!
Has the city tried to recruit workers from states with high unemployment? For example, Michigan?
Are they working with factories and employers on job fairs, etc?
I'd be curious to see how many would re-locate for low to mediocre wages. Maybe more now than there was a few years ago. Times are getting tougher?
or mexicans :) ??
Please don't start with the "Little Mexico" crap again. I'm not sure my new nicer self can take it.
im sorry
ill take it back,
:)
good one sg
LOL @ SG- Hahaha!!
Hey, I'm trying! It's not easy being positive!
I know. It takes a great deal of thought to be positive.
;) gl with that
"We don't have people to fill the available industry jobs." Before going any farther, we need to "ask what jobs and what are the requirements?" Only with that answered can we start to evaluate the problem (perhaps all of this has been done already but I'm so far out of the loop that I didn't notice). Can someone fill me in so I can continue this without being redundant? BTW - I had hoped to attend the COmmission meeting tonight but can't make it. I have applied for appointment to the Planning COmmission that can't seem to field a quorum but have not heard a response.
Diversity means more than one's color,nationality,race or gender. Just wanted to make sure we stay onthe right track . To The Nice SG
that was good
, we need to "ask what jobs and what are the requirements?" Only with that answered can we start to evaluate the problem
Skyline Corp just about always has an ad in the paper, says if you can read a tape measure, you can make 10-16 per hour ...
that aint bad,
the traveler always needs people .
creekstone, kanpak .. and others.
theyre not 50 grand a year jobs, but they are decent jobs.
problem is finding people who can pass a drug test.
I need a sports editor right now.
I need a part time typist right now, heck yesterday :)
these are the kind of jobs were talking about.
Skyline Corp just about always has an ad in the paper, says if you can read a tape measure, you can make 10-16 per hour ...
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The reason Skyline has a hard time keeping help is because it is dangerous work. I know of more than one employee that has had trailers pulled out from under them while they were on the roof, thank god for safety harness's. When a place can't keep employees you have to look at working conditions, benifits, management, the pay may be decent but how are the other things I mentioned????
What does a typist make at the Traveler these days? Or a sports writer? Enough to pay a mortgage and pay taxes here? I am interested in knowing if the equity in your home is lower now than it once was, and the worth of your house is lower now than it once was, will your taxes go down accordingly? I think not.
problem is finding people who can pass a drug test.
Isn't it strange that we have such a low unemployment rate in this town, yet so many are applying for jobs with dirty test results?
Thank you for acknowledging the problem, James. I wish we could clean them all up and get them to working, but I feel helpless. I guess all we can do is pray?
In the meantime, we need to do some recruiting. Does the city get involved in these things?
Oh, and thanks to Rick and Kathy for getting involved! Rubbermaid is always hiring, too (mostly assembly work).
I wish we could clean them all up and get them to working, but I feel helpless. I guess all we can do is pray?
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Yes, or remove the requirement that you pass a drug test.
I really think the drug test thing isn't fair.
If you smoked a marijuana cigarette 2 months ago, you will fail the drug test and won't get hired. If you drank a pint of whiskey every night the last two months you would pass the drug test and get hired.
Isn't there something wrong with this picture?
I am interested in knowing if the equity in your home is lower now than it once was, and the worth of your house is lower now than it once was, will your taxes go down accordingly? I think not.
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If property values go up, your taxes actually go down.
If values go up, the property tax burden gets more spread out and more money comes in at the same tax rate.
Thats why we are in the state we are in this year. Our property values have gone down, so there is less money, so there had to be cuts to avoid raising taxes.
"I wish we could clean them all up and get them to working, but I feel helpless. I guess all we can do is pray"
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"Yes, or remove the requirement that you pass a drug test.
I really think the drug test thing isn't fair.
If you smoked a marijuana cigarette 2 months ago, you will fail the drug test and won't get hired. If you drank a pint of whiskey every night the last two months you would pass the drug test and get hired.
Isn't there something wrong with this picture?"
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Seriously? You think moving the drug testing requirement is going to help with the already poor working conditions and safety record? You just heard someone say how employees have had the trailers pulled out from under them while they were on the roof, and I have personally seen people get staples throught their fingers and fingers chopped off out there (I worked there once straight out of college... HATED IT!). Take away the drug testing and you will have people working high all the time, and that will lead to more accidents. A lot of the reason they need help is because when someone is hurt on the job, they have to go get drug tested at the clinic, and when they test positive, they get fired. What people need to do is grow up and become responsible adults instead of getting high all the time to escape their pitiful life (the one that wouldn't be so pitiful if they'd quit getting high and become decent human beings.
Speaking of drugs here... by chance is the Traveler going to do a follow up article on the official results that the baby died of SIDS?
by chance is the Traveler going to do a follow up article on the official results that the baby died of SIDS?
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I am not sure if we will or not.
We may do a little something on it.
I would appreciate it if their would be a paragraph or 2 on the baby that died of SIDS because so many people I have spoke to seemed to assume the baby died of drugs or toxins.
What about meth, James? Do you think they should drug test for that?
You know, companies are required to drug test. There must be a reason they do not want to hire them! Maybe we should ask them that question?
16 years ago, I can remember walking around the Rubbermaid plant smelling weed burning. I remember their safety record at that time was horrific! People were smoking on the job. Once, the toilet plugged up in the men's bathroom with syringes. I walked in on a woman shooting up in the bathroom, too. She later ended up on "medical leave" because she went loopy.
Since then, they went to a hair test and things quieted down quite a bit. They have set records with their safety in the last few years. I wonder why they would want to do that?
There is a difference between being under the influence at the time and having done it at some time in the past.
Meth is a horrible drug.
But I think its not fair that alcohol gets a free pass.
That was my point,
I wasnt taking up for any drug:)
"I really think the drug test thing isn't fair.
If you smoked a marijuana cigarette 2 months ago, you will fail the drug test and won't get hired. If you drank a pint of whiskey every night the last two months you would pass the drug test and get hired."
Let me help you out here. One of these is an illegal drug, and the other is a legal one. As an employer, people that show patterns of doing illegal activities have a tendency to continue that process. I am not saying that people can not change or make mistakes, but especially with drugs this process can take a good bit of time.
I think it is easier to spot (and smell) a person who is drunk on the job than someone who is "high".
Also, the previous poster is right. Alcohol is legal. Even though it can ruin people's lives and families, it is still considered acceptable to do it on one's own time. However, smoking weed or using meth is against the law whether on or off the job. I believe it is no different than doing criminal background checks.
ok guys i surrender
Don't surrender!
"Don't surrender!"
anonymous #2 said:
James is right. I understand his point. Why should a drug as horrible as alcohol get a free pass? It's not fair. Only heaven knows how many lives have been ruined by this drug. (alcohol) It changes the chemistry of the brain. How many children go hungry because of it? How many women are abused because of husbands on it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I already know. "One drink never hurts", "It is their choice" yada, yada, yada.
Let's be clear. I hate drugs. All drugs. Alcohol is simply a gateway drug.
If you go to the correctional facility, you will find out most of the people there were involved in alcohol/drugs before they did their crime.
Alcohol is one of society's most costly drugs. Because it's so accepted.
James, "Don't surrender!" because you have a legitimate point. Albeit, a point most people don't want to hear. But, it's the truth.
If you're going to test for drugs, why not test for all drugs. (including alcohol)
G.E. tests for alcohol as well as drugs.
I do not think anyone is saying to ignore alcohol abuse. Use and abuse are two different things. You are talking about a change in law at a national level. That is a different topic and different debate. Agree or disagree, I do not think you could base your hiring on whether or not a person used alcohol at all. It is a legal substance. I think you are barking up the wrong tree wanting to discriminate people you hire based on the use of a legal substance. I am not an attorney, but I can see that being a legal issue. If you feel that strong about it, then I think the legality is the place you need to attack. Good luck with that.
You know James in the begining the drug test was about legal and illegal and then the big dogs wayed in on the matter (Insurance Co.), they started thinking not proving who was the safer worker, some one on legal drugs or someone on illegal drugs. Addthe word ill to the mix and guess who they pined the unsafe on, even more they did not even look at the side effects of either.
What should be done is screening of employees for legal status as easy as for drugs!!!!
KEELI please stop preaching about drugs if you include mary jane, the other drugs you r speaking of are bad, but like james said, if u only smoke pot at home, drug testing and holding it against u isnt quite fair, think before u type please, geez and rubbermaids safety prob wasnt due to people smoking pot on the job, the probs were due to rubbermaid not caring about their employees, i have worked there, they suck and thats their prob and why they have ads in paper all the time, im smart enough to realize there is no imaginary gods or beings that we never see, so dont waste your time praying for me please, thx
Hey, I hear ya! Alcohol does terrible things. However, the law says it is legal when used appropriately. Problem is that many people inherit that evil little gene which causes them to be alcoholics. The employer's hands are tied until the law is changed and I do not see that happening. Prohibition did not work the first time.
By the way, if a person drinks a pint of whiskey the night before going to work at Rubbermaid...
Someone is going to notice the odor when they are sweating it out the next day. Many people have been reported for such things, and sometimes their blood/alcohol does show up in tests (even the next day) enough to get them repremanded.
KEELI please stop preaching about drugs if you include mary jane, the other drugs you r speaking of are bad, but like james said, if u only smoke pot at home, drug testing and holding it against u isnt quite fair, think before u type please, geez and rubbermaids safety prob wasnt due to people smoking pot on the job, the probs were due to rubbermaid not caring about their employees, i have worked there, they suck and thats their prob and why they have ads in paper all the time, im smart enough to realize there is no imaginary gods or beings that we never see, so dont waste your time praying for me please, thx
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Okay, now we've heard from the pot heads, and they just don't think it's fair that they can't smoke weed and go to work high. BOO F'n HOO. Go get some munchies and let the grown ups talk. Weed is ILLEGAL, no matter how harmless it may be. I happen to agree that alcohol is just as bad, and I wouldn't mind seeing weed legalized, but as of now, it is ILLEGAL. Live with it.
Or you could grow up and become an adult, and stop getting high and concentrate on raising children who will not make the same mistakes you have. Just a thought.
i didnt say i go to work high, i dont, the point was smoking on your own time and being penalized for it through drug testing, read before u comment duh. and what mistakes have i made that u know of? i happen to have a good job making good money, prob more than u do, so it hasnt hurt me any at all. my kids r raised and r fantastic adults with great jobs. dont post unless u can read AND understand what is being said. and, alcohol is not 'just as bad' as pot, its worse and not even in the same league-i would rather someone smoke a joint and be driving towards me than someone drunk heading my way, at least the pot smoker will stay on their side of the road, although they may be going too slow, ha
You are still an admitted doper. Your opinion means little to me. Grow up and stop getting high. Your kids grew up seeing that, and will likely follow suit, if they haven't already. VERY irresponsible!
Mary Jane may not be addictive, but she WILL alter your perception and opinions of things. She's talking for you right now! I'm sure it's easier for us to see that, though.
Re the response that Rubbermaid is hiring: yes they are and always are. The company that handles their recruiting as well as Kanpak's and a few others will hire people coming out of prison ONLY when they are off parole. The day they get "off paper" they are "born again". Remember , these folks are frequently your children, fathers, husbands etc and are coming home. When they are on probation or parole they are subject to random UA's and have to maintain jobs and frequently curfews. Sounds like a ready made work force to me.
As far as the comment that drinking a pint of whiskey won't fail you on a drug test, you are correct. The difference is that you are not willfully breaking the law - that is what disqualifies you.
BTW I have no idea how I morphed to Rick&Amp;Kathy. I'm trying to explain to Kathy who Amp is and failing miserably
I never thought marijuana was addictive either until I actually found out I know someone that says they can't stop!
"i didnt say i go to work high, i dont, the point was smoking on your own time and being penalized for it through drug testing, read before u comment duh"
I think you need reading comprehension....... The major point here is that what you are doing is ILLEGAL. I do not care if you agree with that or not. It does not matter, the law is the law. Please tell the cops when they show up to your door that it is only weed, and that you can do whatever you want in your own house. Tell me how that goes for you.
Yeah, an employer should not penalize a person for any crime they commit away from work......./rolls eyes
Ther are some who say they can't stop drinking or smokeing or having sex also. It has nothing to do with work when you are tired or hung over or you can't breath either (ha HUH)
you should not have said her opinion means nothing because u call her a doper , you are a self important know it all whose opinion dont mean a thing , you dont know squat so what if she gets high at home in her time she is still better conversation than a pre judging do gooder
Well, I know why AC looks like crap! We do not take care of our homes/yards because we work the night shift and smoke grass! James, you have been asking what is wrong with the attitude of this town. Here you go! We just sit around getting high and griping about how "unrightous" the world is, man! :)
It is interesting how we see things differently. Often it is due to the degree we wish to analyze a situation, problem or opportunity.
If you look at the situation regarding the lack of workers to fill specific jobs. I think you have to look a little deeper and what has changed.
It's not my intent to try and tell any business/industry how they should operate.
But, the recent trend to use temporary service agencies to supplement or staff business has had in many cases an adverse effect.
Alot of People/Families can't work those type of jobs. i.e. lower wages and benefits with 6 month or less duration.
So the type of pay/benefits is relative to the type of worker you will attract and retain. Many of the industries that have these type problems today didn't before and were the places people wanted to work yesterday!
The temporary agency sure changed the employment landscape.
I personally don't care for the "temporary" agencies.
But, I guess they must be here to stay. I mean, employers want to "look" at a potential before saying "you're hired".
So....in my opinion, temp agencies haven't helped, they have hurt.
I think companies use temps for 2 reasons. First, they can avoid high turn-over expenses on training and paying benefits for someone who could possibly quit after a short period of time. Second, they avoid having to lay the employee off after a seasonal peak in production.
Sometimes the work just is what it is, temporary.
Keeli you are on the right track especialy when it comes to expenses. The trining though is mostly required by OSHA regardless of who or by whom the employee is hired for the saftey of that employee and employer.
Then there is also the ideal that most employees who use temp agency to hire for them do not offer those employee's medical or life insurance plans and if injured most have a hard time collecting workmans comp because of their work history, and getting unemployee ment is hurt because of the low wage and unstable work history.
Then you have the employers office exspence of cost for keeping track of employee records, the exspence of keeping track of medical plans ( cut out some office people there) keeping track of retirement plans ( cut out some more office help) paying for vacations of full time, long term employee's ( whoops there goes 1/3 of the accounting department).
Then you have again the insurance and how you count your employee's for the total cost for all health insurance cost. This all helps them most businesses look to temp agency for those services. A temp agency can be hired for a fraction of the cost of the employer doing the interview and and all the other paper work going into the hiring processes.
Oh yea this hurts the employee when it come to the seasonal hiring because it makes it more difficult to apply for and receive unemployment benefits which the employer has to deal with the state to explain why 25 or 200 people just got laid off and why the think they should not pay the exspence for the unfortunate unemployment happens (uh oh there goes a pulic relations position). Just think of how much money the employer save and the profit they now make. They even get a big savings on retirerment payments because they can consider them temp employee's for so long. Even when they hire them back in two months.
I think temp agencies work good for highly populated areas but not for smaller comunities like ARK CITY.
JUST A THOUGHT ALONG THE LINE OF WHAT YOU SAID BUT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. HELP
and who said anything about working the night shift, you goody two shoes who seems to everything 'right' how sickening
and for your further noisy info, i happen to have a beautiful yard with beautiful flower beds and even a nice pond... ide tell ya where to look but the the coppers would want to bust the 'doper fiend' i could be your next door neighbor and you wouldnt even know it, im not lazy or scruffy or anything, im a hard working clean cut citizen who just happens to smoke a little grass, geez, so dont ASSUME you know me or my traits, im also a high school grad w/ some college, A student, good job, good kids, etc etc so I feel I have the right to say LEGALIZE IT ALREADY
You all might be shocked at the who is who in the smoking grass area, people whom you would never dream would be doing that. From young to our elderly!
http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm
just the facts, maam, just the facts...
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