City commissioners want to hear from you. They will be holding a town hall meeting at 7 p.m. Thursday at the senior center in Arkansas City.
People will be able to ask questions and share their concerns with the commission.
Commissioner Patrick McDonald said he would like to hear ideas and solutions to problems facing the city.
There will be no agenda.
"We are just going to be there to listen to people," he said.
Depending on how many people show up, there may be a time limit put on each speaker.
You all should come. I dare ya.
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I'll be there and I encourage others to go. Nothing on TV anyway. BTW - where is the report of the Planning Commission's meeting last night? I don't mean here, but in the paper. Also - my question about Ark City Industries remains unanswered. Who are they and why? Why would they financially support a city commissioners bid for election/reelection?
Ill get the planning commission into the paper tomorrow. thursday.
We had a story about who AC Industries is back in december after the Lowes deal.
I was unable to attend the meeting but i understand they did not approve it. so it could get interesting.
It will be in tomorrow.
Hey, dont you know the olympics are on ... its your patriotic duty to watch watch and watch. :)
I can't think of a bigger waste of time and effort. This is just a passive aggressive game to mislead people to think the Commission is going to be responsive to the ideas that are presented.
Come on. Let's get real. Have people told them what they want? Yeah, a number of times. Has anything come from it? No. In fact, it seems that the Commission has gone out of their way to obstruct and blockade the ideas.
Even Charlie Brown eventually stops falling for Lucy's trick with pulling back the the football.
When will Ark City learn? The Commission doesn't care. They are in it for themselves and their buddies, not you.
If people show up with suggestions, they will say: "see, we listen". Maybe they do. But that's the only thing that will happen. I have a better idea: put together a petition. We'll see how that works.
Or I guess we already have.
Sorry. At this point, it is about credibility. After their actions this past year, how can they have the brass or foolishness to ask for even more suggestions?
Good Grief.
Lucy is holding the football again. I wonder what will happen?
How about getting rid of the dirt roads inside the city limits. Try driving down 12th street South of the High School. All those dirt roads in that area should be paved. The people who live on them pay the same (or more) taxes than everyone else in town.
Don't let captain Peanuts deter you. If you have ideas, voice them. Enough people voice the ideas then things get done. This town works a lot like the squeaky wheel gets the grease idea. The problem comes when things get blown through the system before people can voice their thoughts.
Other than the recent issue with the land transfer for the new hospital, I do not see anything they have done as catastrophic myself. If you did not know the land the doctors group was supposed to build the hospital on was recently transferred to the city. Along with that is the 120k bill for work and engineering done to that site. So yes our tax money is washing the hands clean of this doctor’s investment group. Now that they are putting the hospital there anyway it is not as much of a big deal because we would have had to spend that money anyway if it was another piece of land.....BUT....why was a big front page report not made of this when it was done........and why were all of you rock throwers not all up in arms over this 120k tax money bail out???????
HUD wouldn't even make a loan on this hospital deal! Now, these doctors have talked their buddy Steve Archer into doing it???!!! got to be kidding us right? NOT. this is crazy, no one will loan them the money because it is not a safe or wise idea, but they won't stop and now want to make the taxpayers pay for an unsafe and unwise loan??? and, as noted, we have already paid ENOUGH, city hall has already spent way too much of OUR TAX MONEY on this pipe dream, probabley why they don't want to back out now, go check for yourselves-you can request the information from the city clerk. It's time for the city to STOP and GET OUT of this losing proposition. The city has already taken on or bought out many things they shouldn't have, we don't need any more money wasted on more bad ideas, property, etc. The city's job is not to bail out their buddies on taxpayer's money! Please, how do we get a decent city manager in place???? instead of the one shoved down our throats???
If no one is willing to go to these meeting and give their ideas and opinions then they shouldn't sit back and complain. To me its like not voting. Maybe they'll listen maybe they won't but you'll never know unless you try. And by the way if you do go to give ideas, ask questions or whatever try to do it nicely, you do get further.
That's a good point.
And dont just complain. Offer suggestions, and help even.
From original post: "Commissioner Patrick McDonald said he would like to hear ideas and solutions to problems facing the city."
Is there consensus on what these problems are? Open mic might be good but maybe there should be a bit of framework so that the discussion doesn't start out focusing on stray cats and morph into the Russian invasion in Georgia (that's hyperbole but maybe you get my point)
The following was posted July 24 on Traveler Talk. Where were "We", not much comment and only a few views of the post. No it wasn't posted on JJ's blog, as it might have offended him. When you buy your ink by the barrell, one would think there could be a little more "reporting". ["So sue me"]
"Ethics" or at least the appearance of, does not apply to the current commission. During the July 15 commission meeting, they accepted the return [deed to the City by CoVista Hospital Group] of the 68 acres from the Patterson Park estate . The "proposed" hospital site. As soon as this was done, it was stated that as the property now belonged to the City, no further public hearings were required, a ordinance was passed levying the special assessments for [work previously done or to be done, not quite clear how many deals have taken place on this alleged hospital effort]. The assessments total $102,717.78. Is one to assume that CoVista Hospital [a group of doctors, dodged these costs which one would assume would have been their responsibility? The city then passed ordinance 2008-07-4154, the next step to obtain bond indebtedness for these assessments. Also interesting to note, the Traveler was at this meeting and did not mention a word about it in the paper or on JJ's blog. I am sure theres more to this and it was done by the book. But it sure doesn't pass the smell test. [Details are available on the Citys web site, under documents section, commision packet for July 15]
I agree with the poster to an extent about the city being involved with the hospital when they couldn't even get a HUD loan. Lets turn this around a bit...what if the hospital was condemned by the state and there was no choice but to either build a new one or close it down completely. What would your choice be?
I am sure theres more to this and it was done by the book. But it sure doesn't pass the smell test. [
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My understanding was that the work, the $120,000, was continent on the deal going through.
WHen the deal died, the work order died with it.
so the money was never spent.
ill check into it some more, but that was what i thought happened
I am sure theres more to this and it was done by the book. But it sure doesn't pass the smell test. [
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My understanding was that the work, the $120,000, was continent on the deal going through.
WHen the deal died, the work order died with it.
so the money was never spent.
ill check into it some more, but that was what i thought happened
I am sure theres more to this and it was done by the book. But it sure doesn't pass the smell test. [
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My understanding was that the work, the $120,000, was continent on the deal going through.
WHen the deal died, the work order died with it.
so the money was never spent.
ill check into it some more, but that was what i thought happened
involved with the hospital when they couldn't even get a HUD loan.
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It wasnt that they couldnt get a HUD loan. The could get one.
but HUD wanted them to build a certain type hospital.
the hospital people didnt want to do that, so the deal fell through.
whether they made the right decision is the question.
The question is,,, why build where the expence is so high, building two miles of pipelines and supplying services that far out is 1/3 the cost of the total project, this hosptial could have been built inside the city, where services are in place. the engineering and site design cost go with the property unless,, you start from zero and redesign.
""How about getting rid of the dirt roads inside the city limits. Try driving down 12th street South of the High School. All those dirt roads in that area should be paved. The people who live on them pay the same (or more) taxes than everyone else in town.""
Whats wrong with dirt roads? the taxs you pay are not the same, frontage and access are part of the valuation done on your property taxs, if you do not argue this with the appraisor then you deserve what you get,, you can pay the extra i dont pay makes me happy, Property owners should really be more aware of what your charged for and how your home is appraised, there is more to the game than just fair market value, many conditions change this valuation.
I think James does a pretty good job at running the paper, it is a bit conservative, and inhibited by a religous community, but i think your getting the News as you can mentaly handel it for the area.
the City Commission is doing all that this town can deal with, to much growth and you complain, no growth and you complain,, to many special intreast groups tring to change things that cant be changed...and creating hate and discontent because they can not handle rejection.
We need to kick back and accept the fact that we have a City that we have made, yes thats right you and me,=== we have torn at the threads of the City untill we have no solidity left,,, I know i sound like Charles but i am not him.
haveing a fourm is a good place to argue ideas and releave stress, and thats all it is, so do not blame others that do not see things like you do, we all interpret life in different manors, as you can see from past examples comissioners cant handel the heat in these fourms and to many of us are to shy to voice opinions anywhere else,
Boy i sure feel better thanks for reading my blog entry
JJ a compliment. You are correct about the HUD loan. Interesting that the story that was put out was that the loan was turned down. Critical care facility wasn't good enough for them. You ought to research how much they spent with the lobbiest/consultant.
Put it too a vote, the already over taxed citizens will show them what they can and can't do. If they close it down I will drive to winfield. If the hospital is in such bad shape they should have been doing MAINTENENCE all along not just let it go and try to do it all at once....kinda like the houses here in town that the city complains about! LOL
THanks for the compliment.
I really wish I had two more reporters. Of course, then id wish i had two more after i got those:)
I know there's stuff we dont get to.
We have to make choices.
The conservative comment is interesting to me. It is a matter of perspective.
I really don't think of myself as a conservative, but people at the paper say I am, and some people here in town say I am.
Virtually no one in South Carolina would have called me a conservative.
I was my paper's token liberal there.
But really it depends on the issue.
Usually neither side is right. The truth lies somewhere in between.
the hospital is just another example of city neglect, along with their streets, sewer, water,and more. they sit back and watch it deteriorate for years until they finally cant afford to fix it. as long as the city manager makes even more money and we purchase his car seems to be all that mattered this year. now they cry they dont have enough money to fix all these things. but the citizens BETTER have the money to put in windows uptown or keep their property up or whatever the city demands. doesnt matter if they can afford it or not. only the city seems to get away with that excuse.
I found it interesting to read in the Wichita Sunday Eagle that just because a commissioner had done a little painting on the theater he excused from a vote concerning it. Mr. Kuhn needs to get with this guy and take some lessons on ETHICS
It is only on the common ground/ideas/projects that we can all move forward!
That should be the role and responsibility of Government!
The rules that apply benefit or penalize equally!
"The rain/sun falls/shines eqaully..."
"""" Anonymous said...
the hospital is just another example of city neglect, along with their streets, sewer, water,and more. they sit back and watch it deteriorate for years until they finally cant afford to fix it. as long as the city manager makes even more money and we purchase his car seems to be all that mattered this year. now they cry they dont have enough money to fix all these things. but the citizens BETTER have the money to put in windows uptown or keep their property up or whatever the city demands. doesnt matter if they can afford it or not. only the city seems to get away with that excuse.
August 15, 2008 11:45 AM""""""
WOW in response to this Matter, I do not beleave the City Manager is the issue, He can not micromanage and still do his job effectively.
It is the general knowledge of city employees that i have spoke too that the city services are being neglected, but what can you do when leadership fails?
It is easy to say "replace them" but this is almost impossible to do, Middle management can applicate data to the City Manager to misslead him on the importance of issues.
I however think Mr. Archer is a very clever man and is smart enough to know when he is being baffled with BS.
I also think that to get a man of his calliber for the salery that we are paying him is a grate deal,
I also know that our lower level employess have not been compensated for thier loyalty and commitment in real monatary value.
I would like to hear from the lower level employess who actualy do the work, the hands on guys, in my business we employe 47 individuals and we have a meeting with the teams weekly, the head of Production which would be in this situation ( city manager) attends these meetings, our contributions to organazation have increased sales 600 percent in the last two years which broke even Exons records in margin gain.
When you take advantage of the resourses that you have in house and build a team who can accomplish rewards of monatary value you will have a winning business, its just good economics to have happy employees who can achive a substainable income
We have soured our city employees of any hope for a future with a winning business ( the city) if we have soured employees what kind of performance will we have?\
I think we have great knowlegable people working for us and need to reward the ones who have been with the city for the last five years or longer with an across the board 1.50 dollar pr hour raise, then we need to take a close look at middle management and get some questions answered.
AC industries is simply a group of investors who bought up a potentialy large some of property in speculation of the future, cant really blame a bunch of smart old guys with a bucket full of money with a desire to make the bucket overflow can ya.
problem is that for the town to grow AC industries will need to lessen thier grip, all land that has potential for growth that is not already built on; in and surounding arkansas city is in the hands of AC industries which is like a pair of hands chokeing the breath away from its victim, if the victim will not say what they want>>> and you can take that to the bank<<<< just be careful which one lol
"all land that has potential for growth that is not already built on; in and surounding arkansas city is in the hands of AC industries"
But if it weren't for AC Industries, we wouldn't have any industry at all. Nobody else will do anything at all about recruiting growth.
I am rightly rebuked. I went into your archives and read the AC Industries piece. Now I can see why they would wish a major part in electing/reelecting city commissioners.
I wanted to attend the open house but got back into town after 8. Sorry I missed the hospital fuss. I am reading the blogs about the financing and am not too happy about they way it is being managed. I need to study it more closely. As far as the present plan being "too far" out of own - when was the last time you saw someone walk to the hospital?
Planning Commission, where is thy sting? (Shakespeare) Let us hope this boil will come to a head on the 19th at the Commission meeting.
Let us all attend - Dancing with the D-List Stars will be starting again and Tuesdays will be unavailable for public service soon.
And so exactly WHAT is the benefit of having the hospital north of the City (other than the fact that the City owns that property)?
Seems to me that since the City is concerned most recently with cutting budgets and the like that it is an odd time to be proposing and supporting such an expensive project.
Also might make more sense if there was development planned in that direction...say if a big box store was going to build in that area and would bring along or attract more businesses in that area. Maybe some housing developments, too. Hmm...
Why weren't there public hearings on the site? Why not build downtown to help with the revitalization efforts? Or how about in town somewhere where there is already available property that already has all the utilities in place? Or, perhaps a site on the southern end of town to promote growth in the direction toward the casinos which may in the near future bring a wealth of residents, tourists, etc.?
Oh, and by the way, who said that "all" the modern hospitals are single story hospitals? Not the ones I've seen.
Just some things that have occurred to me...
I have an idea! Lets raise the taxes to buy anything and every thing that Newkirk and Winfield has, and of course throw in a few extras that no one has thought of yet...ie streets and parks. Then recruit only medocer to low paying industries to come here.Then raise taxes so high that the people that work at the medocer to low paying jobs can't afford to have a home unless it looks like some of the ones that the city complains about. THEN.... the city can make ordinances that will charge the poor people to do the work they want done and charge them on their already high tax every year for the work they can't afford to do and ...... they will evenutaly not be able to pay and the city will end up with even more property they can't afford to mow......(but will get by with because they make the rules)....and the end result will be.....The rich will be here with glass in the empty but beautiful buildings with REAL glass down town, and no one to shop in the stores that ARE there because of the incredibly high sales tax...... because we had to have a hospital to make every one want to move to this wonderful place we call DOOO DAH!!!!!!! I don't see why every one wouldn't want to live here!!!!! LMAO Have a nice day!!!!
Oh, and by the way, who said that "all" the modern hospitals are single story hospitals? Not the ones I've seen.
Yep, you are correct. I just visited a brand new, beautiful hospital in TX that was at least 6 stories. They might be referencing smaller, rural hospitals but I, too, agree that building a hospital 2 miles out of town is pretty ridiculous.
Also, I imagine that there are many lower income people who do walk to the hospital to vists friends and family or walk to work.
Lastly, what about elderly people who now have to drive on a 70 MPH highway just to visit their friends in the hospital. Neither of my grandparents drive (nor should they) on the highway.
With rising fuel and energy prices, it is just ludicrious that they would even consider building a hospital so far out that the only possible way to get to it is to drive on a major highway. It goes against every principle of sustainability.
I see no problem whatsoever with building the hospital out north if you are talking about access. People can still get there on that feeder road that was the old highway. That is plenty good enough.
Now if you are talking about the "expense" give me a break. If you can't afford to drive there, you are going to be one of the people who is a drag on the system that the hospital will end up having to write off. Maybe this really is a good plan because they will weed out all of the non-payers and make the hospital more profitable.
As far as the extension of utilities out there I don't see that as a big problem either since the city will get benefit from that extension by being better able to grow in that direction and offer services to other development. There will be additional development at that location.
In all reality though, those aren't arguments for that location that are as strong as arguments for it being in a location that is in town or south of town since we could probably figure out how to get enough space available to have other development come in whereever the location ends up being.
The single largest reason the powers that be want to put it out north is because of them wanting to have to draw from Winfield to help ensure growth and profitability. If it weren't for
Winfield and the quote unquote free land and the fact that is easier to build on a bare site there would be no reason to put the hospital out north.
What are the main reasons to keep it in town?
-the elderly want it there
-it will help with revitalization
and further investment
-it is a tad bit closer
You must realise that no matter the location the sales tax is still necessary.
What are the requirements for the location?
-needs to be visible from a major road
-needs to have enough space for parking, other development, the hospital itself with a preference for a single level, the medical office building (which could be on the second floor and would make a ton of sense if it were there since you have to have the roof anyway)
Public hearing whoever said it is not a half bad idea. That will help the current planners feel like they are off the hook if the public overwhelming states they want it somewhere else. The current planners have proposed the location they came up with because they think that will have the best shot at being a location that helps the hospital make a profit. If the public doesn't understand that or doesn't care and they force a new location that should be fine as long as they realize there is a greater likelihood for failure and that they will be the ones footing the bill for that failure if the reason has to do with a change of location.
Look at the other side too though. What if just having a new hospital and some new doctor is what makes the hospital a draw from other communities? If the hospital and doctors are good enough and have a good enough reputation it shouldn't matter where it is located because people will be lined up to get in. They already do that by leaving for Wichita for a sniffle. They would come here instead if the care was good enough since we are so much closer. We could get all of the disgruntled patients from the place in Ponca and the place in Winfield. That should be the real goal. No matter where it is located the standard and quality of care should be high enough that we would have the best facility in the region regardless of location. That being the case we should have the guts to get rid of a couple of the doctors immediately that have been the ones who have generated 80 to 90% of the current discord and bad reputation. That would make a great enough difference that we would recover from the bad raps we have by the time the new hospital is built.
what are you smokeing
ask em for a ballpark figure for running the water and sewer lines way out there, it will be an enormous amount of money that contractors will have to be paid to do, although the city will of course say they are 'volunteering' those services. NOTHING the city does is 'volunteer', somebody is being paid with your tax dollars to do it, or equipment bought with your tax dollars is being used.
the hospital doesn't make any money as it is and has the city to bail them out. just because you go and build a multi-million dollar new hospital doesn't mean that the situation will change or just suddenly go away. the hospital constantly has ads in the paper and can't keep staff now, what will they do to change that situation? better pay? better benefits? what seems to be the problem up there with keeping staff and controlling turnover? if they (once again now) can't afford to do so now, why will they be able to do so when they have a different hospital (and will be extremely in the red?) and true cost figures need to be used when they discuss a new hospital, they are leaving out the dollars it will take to furnish and provide equipment, which will probably cost more than the building itself. we are a very small town with a select few wanting a very big town hospital, and it would probably just turn out to be yet another much larger drain on the city tax dollars. maybe the current hospital should be asked to show us NOW that they can cure these ongoing problems, instead of claiming they will AFTER we are all in debt by at least 50 million dollars. we can't compete with Wichita hospitals, not to mention all the different specialty facilities that they have, nor should we try to. if this town is going to ask for a tax hike for anything, they should do so for their water, sewer, storm drainage, streets, and many other items that they have sat back and ignored for the last 50 years or more. we have streets flooding with minor rain storms, several people have dirty water most of the time, some even have sewage backing into their homes over and over, all due to failing underground pipe systems that weren't meant to last forever and are now falling apart or can no longer drain properly that the city could have and should have been replacing a few at a time during all those years. every time they raise our water or sewer or tack on some other charge to our very expensive water bill they claim it is to fix all of that- by the way, where is all that money going? and they are raising our bill yet again also! the city needs to concentrate on fixing everything that is falling down around them and show they can mantain what they have now before trying to take on more projects, annex more people, or anything else that they won't be able to mantain after the fact! -if you cannot take care of what you have now, then you don't need any more- isn't that how the rest of us do things and how they should do things with OUR tax dollars? maybe they are forgetting whose money they are spending and where it comes from. i for one am sick and tired of them acting like we are bothersome and they will tell us what is best for us. citizens need to remember that it is their very hard earned dollars being spent and they have every right to demand clean water, good streets, proper drainage, and everything else that is supposed to come with handing that hard earned money over to people you choose to make sure that happens. There are many many city projects that all need repaired and maintained first before our money is spent on anything else. the city needs to stop downplaying, ignoring, and it sometimes even appears there is dishonesty with the public, about these very serious problems that they have.
I would possibly vote for the sales tax IF it would bring in a few more doctor clinics and get rid of the AC Clinic monopoly of doctors. It is pathetic that if a patient is not happy with their current doctor and wants to go to a different doctor within the clinic they are denied that right. I have seen this with several people , so don't any one say I am wrong. Otherwise, I will not vote for the tax and continue to go to Winfield.
No one can drive to a hospital that is two miles north but most can drive to Wichita for care at Galachia or the Kansas Spine hospital or the one for knee replacement or to Winfield because it is closer also??? That makes good sense to some of you. Get a clue people, you just want to make sure we don't grow. You drive further than that to gamble but cant pay taxes to perhaps save your own life with a quality hospital. That makes sense.
It is sure more fun to put down the people that have a vision than to be part of the vision. Don't need a new hospital...fine...fix up the old one at a cost that exceeds the cost for a new one. That makes sense according to many on this blog.
Do you people just sit around and think of reasons to keep us back in the 50's or what???
Put down AC Industries...they can make a difference but you all have been fed a bunch of bull and believe it. They are making money...the money they make goes back for more growth...yeah, AMAZING someone wants to move the city forward. I challenge all of you to get the facts not the gossip your misinformed neighbor has fed you.
Where do want this town to be in a 20 years...looking like Newkirk or a town that will continue to offer the quality of life you have enjoyed. We have a new football stadium being built...look at the cost...not much less then the hospital and in twenty years we will have played about 100 games there...cost per game?
It is okay to pay for a football stadium but not a new hospital. Yep, that is the way we think and that makes no sense. I love football but I really love good medical care more.
I challenge everyone on this blog to start thinking about what we can do to make this one awesome town. Quit being so negative. Think what we can do even with limited resources. How cool would it be to be proud of what we have and to be forward thinking.
This negative attitude and the negative approach attacking anyone that wants to work toward solutions is really sad. We are truly better than that. The pioneers that settled here were not afraid to dream and to act toward that dream. Can we do the same or are we just bitter and mean spirited as this blog would seem to illustrate. Let's quit being part of the problem and be part of the solutions.
well some of us just don't like ac doctors, so we just drive somewhere else. I have been to a few specialists that come to the hospital here, though. The wait can be so long at the clinic at times. Imagine that all of the people go to the clinic in ac...hmmmm, got a few hours bud? I agree that this town needs growth though and building a new hospital and adding some more docs might be a step to growth.
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No one can drive to a hospital that is two miles north but most can drive to Wichita for care at Galachia or the Kansas Spine hospital or the one for knee replacement or to Winfield because it is closer also??? That makes good sense to some of you. Get a clue people, you just want to make sure
Doctors make the difference where you go and what you need to be treated for, we really do not have any advanced study here for treatment (RIGHT) I would really want to know will the current staff be able to operate the best and latest equipment, or if you had cancer where would you go, more than likely where the local ac doctor sent.!!! Maybe noit you would probably tell him to do the best he can (R.I.P.)
That is the deal with AC industries. No one knows where they are coming from because they on one had say they are non profit, yet they have no non profit registration with the state that I know of (if so please tell me the number). Claim they are solely for city improvement and are martyrs in this fight, yet they want to bring in businesses that have been shown in expert reports to not be a successful option here and do so only to go on their land where they gain a direct profit. Yes, they are not giving the land away folks it is true. Then when the idea is turned down for this business because there is a risk for the tax payer and again deemed a failing idea by experts, they throw a huge fit vowing revenge or to have council members removed due to this. Either side you were on it was a very ugly scene after that meeting on Lowes. I think myself and many others would feel much better about the positioning of AC industries if people were just honest. The whole martyr act in the meetings and in the paper is just not true. There is a profit. If people do good things I have no problem with them making a profit. That is the American way. I do have a problem with someone saying they put a ton of work into something that they would not gain any asset, when it is a flat out lie.
People of Ark City, look at the daily admitance to the hospital. Over the last several years I have seen many times 1 inpatient and so many more outpatients per day admitted to the hospital. Do you need a new hospital or a urgent care facility. Is the reputation of the doctors and hospital staff or their egoes demanding the building of the new hospital. I can see building and asking the citizens of A.C. to pay more taxes for the new hospital if the statistics warrant. With that said I can see a remodel for a urgent care facility rather than a new hospital.
Over the last several years I have seen many times 1 inpatient and so many more outpatients per day admitted to the hospital.
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Hmmmm their releasing more people than they are taking in. Thats interesting :)
How do you reckon .... oh, nevermind.
They were full one day last week.
They have shown that it costs more to fix the old one than to build a new one. Its like a car, at some point youre just better off getting a new one instead of keep patching the old one.
Is that why we see so many run down homes in AC? Have homeowners come to the conclusion that it is better to buy a new home instead of "patching" their current ones?
It just leaves me with the question, "What are we going to do with the old structures? Tear them all down?"
okay 'what we can do to make this an awesome town' is start by fixing everything that is falling down around us instead of raising the water, taxes, etc for new things that can wait. our streets, canals, water and sewer,buildings and more need addressed NOW! they have all been allowed to sit and deteriorate over several years, they will probably end up doing studies to show that we need to build those new also instead of fixing what we have due to the neglect. ask anyone that works at the city how they sit back and watch their buildings leak and leak instead of fixing the roofs correctly but i am sure none of the employees would ever sit and watch their own home leak and leak like that but then its not on the taxpayers dollars. they need to fix what we have first, then concentrate on growth and new items. they need to fix the water and sewer problems before raising your rates higher than the state average. they need to fix the NOW, before building for the FUTURE
"Hmmmm THEIR releasing more people than they are taking in. Thats interesting :)
How do you reckon .... oh, nevermind."
Holy Crap, man... aren't you the editor of the newspaper? Even my 6th grader knows when to use "THEY'RE" instead of "THEIR" (or "THERE").
Hey Traveler Editor...your use of their and they're is so much more important then the actual topic itself.
To anonymous August 25, 2008 3:00 PM
: WHO CARES!
Of course i know the difference between their and there
just mistyped.
i dont really care either :)
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