http://www.yankton.net/articles/2008/05/28/community/doc483ce856e4abe426412526.txt
One interesting - ironic note - is that also at the meeting they entered into an agreement to work on a tax increment finance district for a mall.
hmmmmm
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“One thing that I always encourage is for all the departments and employees to have open lines of communication and to continue to look for new ways to improve the manner in which we serve the public,” Russell said. “I believe in establishing goals, setting benchmarks, outlining what we want done and then allowing them to do that and holding people accountable. I’ve always found it’s best to allow people who are doing the jobs to actually take their way and incorporate their methods into achieving those goals.”
Sounds like this is something AC needs to learn to do, maybe that is why he is leaving.
It's not AC, but the commission, 3 in particular that need to learn this.
Nope, they want to be cops and firemen! Too bad Doug has been a good thing for our City. I wish him well!
Well done Amigos. I hope you are proud of yourselves. Now you can find some lackey who will pledge to do only what you tell him/her to do, and never ask questions or make waves.
BRAVO!
Now the Mayor can get him a "Bobble Head" to lead around by the chain.
Best of luck to you and your family Doug, Can't say that I blame you.
You are all mistaken. This move is a good thing. He turned out not to be the right fit. He wanted to lead the commission instead of the other way around. He thought he could jump right in where Freeland left off and be able to rule without commission input.
Someone will replace him who is liked and respected by the staff. Many of them complained about this manager because of his INABILITY to communicate effectively.
I keep reading in these posts that people are blaming the 3 for forcing Doug out. I fail to see why that is a bad thing. If they did it on purpose then it is probably for good cause. One thing for sure is they saved us from having to contribute to a severance package.
Out with the old and in with the new I always say.
If he was holding up progress or not working well with them then by all rights he should go and not a moment too soon!
What kind of candidate will want to come here after the Lowe's fiasco, and after reading these blogs? One who got ran out of somewhere else, and who will be nothing but a well paid bobblehead, that's who.
I am not quite sure what to think about this. We have a unique culture here in AC. We are obsessed with finding a weakness or undesirable behavior and ignoring any other quality about a person or even our city as a whole.
The last post I read before responding seemed to try to validate the departure in a manner that suggest that someone strongly encouraged the city manager to leave. "Many of them complained about this manager because of his INABILITY to communicate effectively." according the anonymous poster.
The irony is that his hiring governing body lauded his communications skills as reason selecting him over other attractive candidates.
Well, there is little skill or leadership required to fire someone or to tear down a person or community. The real skill is when one can train themselves to find the benefits and assets and leverage them to get a desired outcome. The basis for disagreement is not that one is a bad communicator. The basis for disagreement is that neither are willing to seek to find grounds for understanding.
Alas, a couple of indirectly related thoughts. Census estimates for 2006 show a population decline of approximately 600 for Ark City.
The projection for the next Census (2010) is for continued downward trend as it has been since 1980. (our peak was the 1970 Census). None of this dialog offers any thought about how to reverse this trend. We have not even clarified that we want to reverse the trend. Perhaps we would be a better/stronger small town or township. More neighborly and community like.
One of the reasons we get less service and more taxes in DC is because, each time there is a shift in the balance of power from R to D to R etc, the current majority spends most of their time trying to undo what their predecessors had done. I see us moving in that direction. The current council disliked the staffing decision made by their predecessors. Rather than optimize the hand dealt them, they are now seeking to undo it. What if this trend continues. We might not ever again have an embraceable community vision or measurable progress.
We once were referred to as Little Chicago. Perhaps in our future, we shall be known as "AC the Little DC."
Why would the 3 amigos want to chase out a person with experience and training in his field? A person who excelled and had ideas for our future. Someone who people liked and admired through public forums to get his job.
Because they think they know it all, and refuse any possibilty that they might possibly be wrong. They are unable to accept advice or opinions even from trained specialists. If they could just hear or comprehend suggestions they might see other sides. We have to bow to their total and complete wisdom and intelligence on every issue because they are not open to any other possibilities. (Unless of course someone pays them more...)
The comment I ad is that I undoubtedly believe that each of the five commissioners is doing what they think is right in their heart. In some instances it might be defined as zeal without knowledge. There may be a bit of living in the now without genuine thought for tomorrow.
Local elected officials must always think of what their successors might be able to build upon. In some cases, they are their own successor being re-elected to serve. Equally as often, someone else must continue what was begun by others.
So the question to ponder is what will this governing body leave for someone else to carry forth?
What are the projects? What is their vision? What shall be the legacy, which then becomes the foundation for others in the future?
What we think simply does not matter near as much as what we do about it. For every person who is remembered for what they thought, millions more are remembered for what they did (or did not) do.
The comment I ad is that I undoubtedly believe that each of the five commissioners is doing what they think is right in their heart. In some instances it might be defined as zeal without knowledge. There may be a bit of living in the now without genuine thought for tomorrow.
Local elected officials must always think of what their successors might be able to build upon. In some cases, they are their own successor being re-elected to serve. Equally as often, someone else must continue what was begun by others.
So the question to ponder is what will this governing body leave for someone else to carry forth?
What are the projects? What is their vision? What shall be the legacy, which then becomes the foundation for others in the future?
What we think simply does not matter near as much as what we do about it. For every person who is remembered for what they thought, millions more are remembered for what they did (or did not) do.
Oh dear, there are certain commissioners out to get us all! Give me a break. You all are a bunch of whiners! You act like the commission is sitting at home every night, twirling their mustaches trying to figure out how to corrupt Ark City next.
Same people who have probably never attended a commission meeting or even voted in an election. Gripe, gripe, gripe. That will for sure bring progress to our town.
Department heads know their jobs Kuhn said, so he expects a seamless transition. The commission has not yet met to discuss the ramifications of Russell's departure but Kuhn has someone in mind to serve as interim manager and said that transitional person may well be Russell's replacement.
Now THAT is scary! KUHN has someone in mind who may end up being Russells replacement. Never mind what anyone else thinks. I guess Kuhn thinks he runs the whole city now because he has the title Mayor. I can't wait to see this windbag get popped at the next election.
Wouldn't it be nice if all of the commissioners met together for a change before a decision was made?
What? Meet together? Then they'd have to listen to Pat the Idiot.
Wait. I just noticed a tremor in the Force. It could have been an earthquake.
I figured it out. I just realized I agreed with something expressed by the great ponificator "We have a unique culture here in AC. We are obsessed with finding a weakness or undesirable behavior and ignoring any other quality about a person or even our city as a whole."
I hope you don't pick out any irony in what I just said. Fact of the matter is that the whine-whine and whine some more folks who complain about the amigos till you see your head spin have made one thing crystal clear. They don't have the amigos on their Christmas list.
I felt a chill in the air as I wrote that. Can you imagine being snubbed by someone who is still licking their wounds after all of these months? It would be as if you had a neighbor forget to bring over muffins for All-Saints Day.
Last time I checked we have a thriving downtown compared to many small towns in Kansas. We have many people working to make the town better. Rest assured it is no thanks to the complainers.
They are busy plotting how to overthrow the amigos. The peddle their bs on here hoping to persuade others to join their cult. The already have many heritage club members in the bag. Who else will fall prey to their clever plans?
I know very well what goes into the process of moving one's family to a new city with bright hopes, goals and aspirations for the future, only to get a reality check, where it comes to a decision point to undo it all. 18 months is a very short time to come to say "this is screwed up, let's get the he77 out of Dodge".
18 months. Hmmm....
Try it sometime. It is horrible and extremely financially and emotionally disruptive, and nobody would do it just for the fun of it. Now add in a good healthy dose of having your life dissected in the newspaper and radio and your potential jobs interfered with.
Every bit of my personal empathy goes out to Doug and his family, and I wish them the very best future in Yankton.
Ark City, on the other hand, needs to stop and assess what this means, not just as a loss of a City Manager, but as one of many lost opportunities that have been presented.
Much has been said about "thinking out of the box", but there is a time and place for that stuff.
Nobody would want a heart surgeon "thinking out of the box" when cracking your chest. Even though it may be a lot of fun for the Commissioners to play "stream of consciousness" city management, there really is a need in the real world for order, consistency and planning.
Ark City doesn't benefit by decisions that stem out of the 2 and a half hours per month(or whatever it is) of "off the cuff" brainstorming that has chased off almost every opportunity AC has had.
Under no circumstance should Kuhn be permitted to install a sock puppet as a City Manager.
Period.
hyperbole
The relevant matter is that the current city manager is moving on. Having been offered and accepted a position with another city makes the anonymous diatribe on the pluses or demerits of his performance moot.
Now, the question is, what do we do for a new city manager. The inuendo that there may be a readily available candidate could only be true if it were an internal promotion. There is only one current employee with the credential to become a city manager.
The Council has no library of CM candidates from outside and could not conduct a credible external search without a protracted process.
What direction shall they set? How easily can it be pursued as long as there is a deep division within the governing body itself. (one says I am not surprised, another we wish him well in the move -spoken before he had secured an offer - while a third seemed adamant that the current manager be retained.
All that matters is that the council should come together and make a decision that reflects the interest of all citizens and the well-being of the entire community for now and into the future.
As I stated in an earlier post, defaulting to simple majority is so washingtonian and divisive to the community.
My commitment is to pray for meaningful dialog to occur and that respectful listening produce a new and comprehensively beneficial direction for Ark City. We all need for the Council to handle this well.
I can't believe that kuhn had the cajones to tell the press (Newscow) that he had someone in mind already, and that they may end up with the job. Who the hell does this guy think he is. Ark City is not a dictatorship last time I looked.
How can the major act like it is a shock, when he and the other two are the cause. They tore up his contract! What do you expect the manager to do. I would think it would be very clear that he was on his way out one way or another. Shame on the commission, for their unprofessional behavior!
What is truly unprofessional is the way you people talk with authority about something you know nothing about. You advise and wisdom is purely politically motivated because you want to see the amigos ousted. The only poster who is making anywhere near any sense is Charles.
Charles, thanks for your thoughtful and meaningful contribution. Having been a member of the commission, you are the only one who is qualified to speak about these issues with authority.
Lagonda. We are understanding that at one time in your life you had a difficult move and you are thereby able to empathize with the departing manager. That doesn't make you an expert.
The times ahead may hold concern and they may not. What does it matter if Kuhn already has someone in mind. Be sure that if there is such a person, just because HE had them in mind does not make that person a bad pick. They may make the most sense and it shouldn't have any reflection on them who picked them. Also keep in mind that NO MATTER WHO THEY PICK the barfwagons on this blog will still say he/she is a sock puppet, poor choice, unqualified etc.
By the way Charles a professional agency isn't the only option. We ended up with someone who just didn't have enough seasoning. It is hard to say if that fault lies with the agency, the manager or the commission that chose him.
You people are weird, you dwell on the same thing over and over. The Lowes thing is over with...done... forget it, move on with your life. None of us is ever gonna know the true reason why the city manager is leaving, no matter what he says. All of you that have a problem with the commisson..quit whining and start doing something about it... otherwise, shutup!
Asking us to shutup is ridiculous. The whole idea of a blog is to express your opinion. What we need is tolerance while everyone vents.
asking you to shutup is venting.
Steve Archer, City Manager, sock pupet, Home National, Masonic Lodge
Which of these words fit to complete Charles's eppitat
" The inuendo that there may be a readily available candidate could only be true if it were an internal promotion. There is only one current employee with the credential to become a city manager"
Heard Steve's relative say Steve had the city manager job before they hired Doug. I was scratching my head when Doug got the job.
I removed a post because I felt it crossed the line as far as being libelous.
I am not going to let people accuse people of illegal activity on here.
If the writer wants to discuss it, he or she may email me.
jj
ok now ive deleted another post for the same reason.
I think I could support Steve. They should have chosen him to begin with IMHO. Trouble is, if he is in bed with Home National in some way I couldn't begin to want him anywhere near the helm.
Thanks JJ. I commend you on your judgement.
I'm kind of confused. Why are the USB people so uptight about the Home National people? I don't see anything from either of them, except the accusations.
I'm kind of confused. Why are the USB people so uptight about the Home National people? I don't see anything from either of them, except the accusations.
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Its like the Hatfields and McCoys.
Sheriff: Why are you feuding?
McCoy: Because we don't like them
Sheriff: Why don't you like them?
McCoy Because we are feuding
your been sleepin the last six years???
"That doesn't make you an expert."
Never said I was.
Doesn't take a genius to see how screwed up it is, though.
It's no wonder he left. You may argue one way or another about the Lowes, but the extreme heavy-handedness and lack of professionalism by the Commission is without dispute. And that is just one example of many.
Wouldn't it be easier to insist on better professionalism, accountability and planning from the Ark City Commissioners instead of burning through City employees?
It is clear that they are looking for a "yes man", a "how high do I jump, sir" man, and I'm sorry, I think Steve Archer is too smart to waste his future and dignity in a job like that.
A "front man" instead of a leader.
Ark City needs a leader.
I don't see what you are talking about regarding professionalism. This the most professional commission I can remember. Not liking their decisions or how they came to them is something you can dispute. Your other statements that you make so cavalierly do not stand because you made them.
You are right that we need a leader. Steve could be that man. It remains to be seen since the last commission did not give him that opportunity. I think their choice was not exactly what the city needed but an over-reaction and over-correction as a response to Curt. They over-corrected and it took the car off the road. It is up to this commission to get us going down the right path again.
Another point where I think you might be mistaken-I don't think this commission is looking for a lackey. They seem to be looking for someone who can run the city and get the job done efficiently and effectively. All that means is someone who can work well with this commission and future ones. Get one thing straight. The manager is NOT the mayor. The manager works for the commission. When you work for someone that will inevitably involve taking direction at times and saying Yes Sir. The manager is not some lone ranger and they don't lead the whole city. The commission leads the city. The manager leads the departments and staff and carries out the direction set by the commission.
I am curious about the city commissioners doing business outside of the commissione. Some of the commissioners are seen weekly in the back room at Gambinos discussing business with a county commissioner. The same commissioners meet every Friday afternoon at Midwest Electric. This has been going on for a long time and it is public enough that many people are aware. I thought the commissioners were only supposed to talk business in their public meetings. How do so many people let them get away with this?
Someone should get proof of these meetings. They are a clear violation of the Open Meetings Act, and I have seen city council memners sanctioned and recalled for exactly the same thing.
And JJ has no idea what constitutes libel and what doesn't. When you start censoring free speech, you cross a dangerous line. How many times has the paper reported someone doing something unethical?
And JJ has no idea what constitutes libel and what doesn't. When you start censoring free speech, you cross a dangerous line. How many times has the paper reported someone doing something unethical?
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I know what is libel and what isnt.
I am not even going to get close to it. I am not going to allow this blog to be used to spread rumors, especially by people without the guts to put their name on the accusation.
Its not a matter of free speech.
If you want to spread lies and rumors start your own blog.
jj
"I don't see what you are talking about regarding professionalism. This the most professional commission I can remember."
That's too bad. If you are talking about Robert's rules of order and having "New Business" in the right place and the motions properly seconded, then you got me there. You got me cold, amigo. But running a city is not the same thing as running a junior high parliamentary procedures class.
Running a city is about getting things done and the current commission has been doing a very unprofessional job of that. It is a significant matter that Doug left. The way jobs work, he was probably looking for a job soon after he saw what was going on here.
If you can't see a lack of professionalism in disregarding and losing a filed petition or a lack of professionalism in embarrassing a land developer in a public meeting, then you must be living in Bizarro land.
I do get it. There are more than just 3 amigos, and the additional amigos won't see anything wrong in what the amigo commissioners do, no matter what it is. They are simple apologists.
Real simple.
First of all, the land developer embarrassed himself when he couldn't answer a very simple and direct question in a straight-forward manner.
This commission is getting plenty of things done in spite of Doug and Pat fighting against them every step of the way.
It is a significant matter that Doug left. It is significantly good. Now they can finally get someone in there who will do the work they are supposed to do instead of trying to protect turf and fighting against the commission. If only Pat would resign too.
I am an apologist. I like the truth and the truth is this commission is a breath of fresh air. I am much like the majority of the city who is tired of breathing all of the smoke blown in our faces from your back rooms.
The only private meetings around here take place at HNB where they like to play god with you pawns. If you want to go to Gambinos and have lunch with us you are more than welcome to come. City business is not a topic when there are two commissioners there. As to the meetings at Midwest can't say that is something that I've heard about and suspect they don't exist. Go there any time and check and maybe you can get something started in their new showroom.
Speaking of back rooms... Which commissioners come out of Gambino's back room every Wednesday after lunch. Which commissioners come out of Midwest Electric backroom Friday afternoons? It's just a social event, they don't do city business without the rest of the commission
Or do they?
It depends if you really consider Pat a commissioner or just a bobblehead. I wouldn't invite him to be a character in a cartoon other than the ones he is already in (tigger from pooh and homer from the simpsons).
Duties of the City Manager
The City Manager is appointed by the City Commission, based on professional training and qualifications, to carry out the Commission’s policies and decisions and to ensure that the entire community is being efficiently and effectively served. The City Managers’ duties and responsibilities as outlined in State law (KSA 12-1011 to 12-1015) include the following:
· The administration of the City's business shall be the responsibility of the manager.
· The manager shall be appointed by the Commission and shall hold office at the pleasure of the board.
· The manager shall be chosen solely upon the basis of administrative ability.
· The manager shall receive a salary fixed by the Commission.
· The manager shall be responsible for the administration of all the affairs of the City. He shall see that the laws and ordinances are enforced.
· The manager shall appoint and remove all employees of the City and all appointments shall be upon merit and fitness alone.
· The manager shall be responsible for the discipline of all appointive officers and may, without notice, cause the affairs of any department or the conduct of any employee to be examined.
· The manager shall prepare and submit the annual budget to the governing body.
· The manager shall keep the City Commission fully advised as to the financial conditions and needs of the City.
· The manager may make recommendations to the Commissioners on all matters concerning the welfare of the City.
· The manager shall have a seat, but no vote, in all the public meetings of the governing body.
· All department heads shall make regular reports to the manager.
It's too bad the commissioners choose to ignore state statute pertaining to the city manager and try to run things their own way. But then it appears that they ignore a lot of the state statutes and try to do things their own way. Isn't that like breaking the law?
It's hard for me to understand the apologists for this commission. It is obvious that they are not carrying out the will of the majority, and only work for the business owners who's pocket they are in.
Pat and Joel are the only ones who listen to what the people want. You apologists make fun of Pat and call him names because he has the guts to stand up to Kuhn and his idiotic ideas.
If you think the amigos are doing what is right for this town, then you are morons, plain and simple. Pull your heads out and take a good look at your future.
But then it appears that they ignore a lot of the state statutes and try to do things their own way. Isn't that like breaking the law?
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No its not breaking the law.
The CM runs the town at the direction of the city commission. The commission can interfere as much or as little as they like.
It's like at the paper. I am responsible for the content of the paper. It is up to me to get news and decide what goes in.
However, my boss can tell me to do something different than the way I would do it on a specific thing.
There's nothing unethical on either side there. Just a difference of opinion.
You may call Patrick names and insult his abilities to do his job, but they are only words. I know of NO ONE more HONEST or DEDICATED to serve the people or have the best interest of the town of Ark City.He is not a "BOBBLE HEAD". He stands up for what the people want and doesn't his very morale best to serve.
As for the 3 commissioners who have met at the 2 locations mentioned ,that is NOT something that is all together legal because that is a formum.They may say that they are just socializing but.............. It is strange that Patick and Joel are never invited to or told about these "SOCIALIZING" events.
I think maybe all citizens of Ark City need to take a close look for themselves what is LEGAL and what is NOT LEGAL.
"No its not breaking the law."
I think the handling of the petition may have been breaking the law.
"No its not breaking the law.
The CM runs the town at the direction of the city commission. The commission can interfere as much or as little as they like."
This is not exactly true. The commissioners have no authority as individuals. They cannot speak or act for the city except as a group with a majority decision. Though the individuals should be respected, they have no right or authority to interfere with the city manager's daily operations.
I think that is what we have come across in our case. Our city manager is too much of a professional to say it, but our commissioners have tried to operate independently and interfered with his work. There is also trust involved when working closely together, and I believe some of the commissioners have lost that.
Maybe the city manager will offer more information before he leaves.
i think the commissioners do have power as individuals.
if one of them calls up the CM and asks for something, he does it...
dont think there is anything wrong with that, but others may think otherwise..
Now that Ralph is on here stirring things up and trying to defend his brother if it is at all possible I've lost even more respect for both. Both idiots. Both hot-heads. For you apologists of Pat and Joel give me a break. Pat could no more stand up to Mell than an ant to a steamroller. His ignorance is baffling. I've heard him say things that are so stupid you wouldn't even know how to respond to his comments.
The secret privat meetings are bs too. Unless you are talking about the coaching that Pat and Joel get from their strange constituencies. What should be illegal is how stupid people can be. They did a poll recently of mothers and 60 to 70% believed their children were genius level or above. Interesting that only 1% of the population is actually above genius level. So as you can see something stinks and it isn't kanpak or creekstone. It is you morons out there defending Pat and Joel because you don't agree with the 3 heroes who are saving our town from the home national crowd and the other idiots out there who don't know the difference between a valid and invalid petition.
You talk about power and that is not what this is about. It is about right and wrong. The way the heroes were treated after they decisively saved us from the big box was wrong. These duly elected representatives of the people did their difficult duty of accurately representing the will of the majority and have paid for it with trumped up criticism and slander and lies ever since.
By the way, you are the minority. Get used to it.
WOW,, do i hear the words revolution climbing our of the pitt??
WOW,, do i hear the words revolution climbing our of the pitt??
I guess you do!
Oh my goodness! Our salvation has protected us from shopping choices!
Do we kneel or just kiss their rings?
Soooo, let me get this straight. The three amigos meet in private to discuss things without Joel and Pat because they think they are more intelligent? Do they think they can get more done when the two are not around?
I do not care how smart you think you are, you do not have a right to do this. Please tell me this is not true!
The people of Ark City did not vote Joel and Pat in so that they could be shut out of decision making. It is not one or three people's choice. The people have spoken when they cast their vote. You should respect the opinion of ALL commissioners and include them in everything! Just because you do not like them doesn't mean they do not matter.
I do not care how smart you think you are, you do not have a right to do this. Please tell me this is not true!
I am hearing about their "secret" meetings too, but do not know if it is true.
I hear them complain that they can't meet enough, so it makes me wonder.
but i think technically two of them could get together as long as they dont discuss city business.
maybe ill start going to gambinos for lunch eh :)
Imagine my surprise to hear the phone calls yesterday asking for reserved seats at the weekly secret commission meeting at Mid-West. When I asked where they were getting their information from, I was referred to the blogs on the Traveler. I asked everyone on my staff if they knew what this was about all of them were as clueless as was myself. I knew it had to be true because there it was in black and white right on the blogs. So we prepared ourselves for the secret meeting we knew nothing about. I bought cookies and soda pop and waited for the secret meeting in the afternoon to occur. Unfortunately nobody showed up for the meeting.
In truth on Fridays at 4:30 p.m. customers, staff family members and friends sometimes gather at Mid-West to have a few refreshments and to talk about the happening of the week and the things they are planning to do on the weekends. Then about 5:00 or 5:30 we go out the doors and lock them and go home. If any of you would like to join us feel free, come in and we will welcome you. It would be our pleasure.
Curtis Eaton
Don't worry Mr Eaton, some of us may not agree with everything the commission does, but not all of us here have a paranoid personality disorder either!
Thank you for clearing that up Mr. Eaton. I suppose that I am one of the few, and I mean few, who don't believe everything they read on the blog.
I hope a few more people show up for the meetings though. And I hope they bring their dues, or at least come in to purchase something. haha ;)
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Now that Ralph is on here stirring things up and trying to defend his brother if it is at all possible I've lost even more respect for both. Both idiots. Both hot-heads. For you apologists of Pat and Joel give me a break. Pat could no more stand up to Mell than an ant to a steamroller. His ignorance is baffling. I've heard him say things that are so stupid you wouldn't even know how to respond to his comments.
The secret privat meetings are bs too. Unless you are talking about the coaching that Pat and Joel get from their strange constituencies. What should be illegal is how stupid people can be. They did a poll recently of mothers and 60 to 70% believed their children were genius level or above. Interesting that only 1% of the population is actually above genius level. So as you can see something stinks and it isn't kanpak or creekstone. It is you morons out there defending Pat and Joel because you don't agree with the 3 heroes who are saving our town from the home national crowd and the other idiots out there who don't know the difference between a valid and invalid petition.
You talk about power and that is not what this is about. It is about right and wrong. The way the heroes were treated after they decisively saved us from the big box was wrong. These duly elected representatives of the people did their difficult duty of accurately representing the will of the majority and have paid for it with trumped up criticism and slander and lies ever since.
By the way, you are the minority. Get used to it.
May 31, 2008 2:19 PM"
Sounds like someone has an axe to grind. It's nice that jj allows people to be called names like "stupid" "idiot" and "moron". I guess when it's so easy to tell that the real stupid idiot moron is the person posting, then he lets it slide, as in the above post I quoted.
If I remember correctly, Joel got more votes than anyone when he was elected to the council, yet you contend that he doesn't speak for the majority? It's obvious that you must be one of the people who thinks it's okay for the commissioners to "lose" a petition here or there, or break the law by meeting outside of chambers. You must own or work in a business that would have been hurt by Lowe's coming to town (along with everything else that would have brought to give this town better shopping opportunities). Your "heroes" are pathetic, and so are you. You stupid idiot moron doody head. (I know Pat would never stoop to your level, but I don't mind). And no, this is not his brother, nor even his friend, just someone who has eyes and ears, and can see that Pat and Joel are the only ones working to make this town better for ALL of us, not just Mr. Eaton and his friends.
we will see who is the minority at the next election!!!!
It's nice that jj allows people to be called names like "stupid" "idiot" and "moron". I guess when it's so easy to tell that the real stupid idiot moron is the person posting, then he lets it slide, as in the above post I quoted.
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i do let that slide. being stupid ect, is a state of mind and not illegal.
im only drawing the line at accusing people of illegal activity.
i believe everyone has a right to be as stupid as they want to be.
yeah but doody head really crosses the line. nobody deserves to be called that.
the accusations about illegal activity by the commission for supposed secret meetings - why isn't that considered crossing the line. you yourself stated that you wouldn't let that stand unless the accusations were proven.
"I am hearing about their "secret" meetings too, but do not know if it is true.
I hear them complain that they can't meet enough, so it makes me wonder.
but i think technically two of them could get together as long as they dont discuss city business.
maybe ill start going to gambinos for lunch eh :)
May 31, 2008 8:29 PM"
Gee JJ, did you just commit LIBEL (your form of it anyway) by saying you had heard someone was doing something illegal that they haven't been charged with in a court of law? Practice what you preach.
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.doody head!
i do let that slide. being stupid ect, is a state of mind and not illegal.
im only drawing the line at accusing people of illegal activity.
i believe everyone has a right to be as stupid as they want to be.
June 2, 2008 7:13 AM
Got say, I love that reply.
Go JJ!!!
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