City will have its worksession Monday, starting at 5:30 and Tuesday is the regular meeting at 7.
Just a few items on the agenda, but they are large items. The sales tax is on there, or at least, the measure to put it on the november ballot will be discussed. That could get passed Tuesday.
They are getting close to the deadline, so it might be their last chance.
Almost lost on the shuffle of the hospital is the city's vote for a half-cent for road improvements.
We do need street improvements.
They really dont have enough money laying around to do a lot of improvements, so I guess they do need the extra money.
An aside that I thought was interesting. The brick streets are perhaps the oldest, and they need some work, but brick streets are the most reliable, or sturdy, surface we have for roads/. It costs more to put down brick streets, and they are a little more to maintain, but you dont have to re-do it every 10 years.
Some of the brick streets in town are over 50 years old and still in good shape.
I dont think they are planning on brick streets, but .... it might work.
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Are there any details on what specific street repairs will get done with the money? I live on a dirt road inside the city limits, so unless it includes paving my street, and the streets surrounding it, then I will vote no.
Try driving down 12th Street South of the High School after it rains.
Go on, I'll wait.
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See. Sucked, didn't it!
The city does not pay for the upgrade of gravel roads. In any new development the developers or builders pay for the roads and utilities and add it in to the price of the homes they sell. If the neighborhood chooses to upgrade to paved road later they must all agree together and ask for a special assessment from the city. The city can have the work done and divide the cost up among the neighbors and spread the payments out on their property taxes over a number of years.
This is a decision made by the developers (not the city) at the time of building.
This is common in every municipality I've heard of. Though I've heard there are rare occaisions where a city might help pay the cost if there is a big enough economic improvement to the city.
The brick streets are killing my car. The dips at various intersections are freaking stupid.
The city should look in to just putting regular pavement over the bricks if they're not going to fix the bricks.
I personally growing up here appreciate the bricks and the history -- plus I think it keeps traffic slower!!! And the dips are necessary for proper drainage -- we would have to have those anyway.
If you drive about 20 mph on the brick streets they are fine.
The brick streets do need some maintenance.
Im not sure what the plan is, or what the priorities are, for any road projects.
I can just imagine the firestorm that will create.
funny, the city finds the money when they want to resurface the road throughout Crestwood and Country Club Estates... but I guess us that live in the 'undesirable areas' aren't as important as their friends with money
not sure about crestwood, but i do recall that the country club people had a special assessment or something, to pay for theirs.
the people that live there paid for it
Check out the nice paving job done at the park on the Walnut River (E. Madison)...that should get some dander up. Wonder how it will hold up thru floods. I can think of MANY spots more in need of resurfacing than a park...to name a few, potholes on 8th at intersections of Madison, Jefferson, Walnut, and the huge square hole left several weeks ago after some work was done right in the middle of 8th at Birch...cars swerve to miss the pit. Need some priorities with the street work.
Well, I'm no Ark City historian, but the neighborhood West of eighth street and South of Radio Lane CANNOT be the newest part of town, so why weren't these roads paved when they were made by the city? A TON of traffic goes through there because of the High School.
not sure about crestwood, but i do recall that the country club people had a special assessment or something, to pay for theirs.
the people that live there paid for it
-James, that was the first paving, ask the city about the SECOND paving they did just a year later at their expense and why?
Check out the nice paving job done at the park on the Walnut River (E. Madison)...that should get some dander up. Wonder how it will hold up thru floods. I can think of MANY spots more in need of resurfacing than a park...to name a few, potholes on 8th at intersections of Madison, Jefferson, Walnut, and the huge square hole left several weeks ago after some work was done right in the middle of 8th at Birch...cars swerve to miss the pit. Need some priorities with the street work.
-yes, they sure found the money for that and I too wonder what will happen the first time the park floods. I doubt it will hold up, will prob buckle and more? we will probably get the answer this weekend, I sure hope I don't have to watch my tax money go down the drain with yet another no well thought out city project
Brick streets do not lawst forever, Brick streets are more expeinive to maintain than replacement of Pavement, the city owns a pavement machine and equipment.
Brick streets are more dangerous on ice and snow and rain than pavement.
Bricks wear out and are useless, pavement can be recycled.
Labor is extensive with brick streets,
Labor is minimul with maintenance of paved streets.
the city has pavement repair trucks, i think they call them pothole trucks
the city has no brick layers
JJ would know a good street if he lived on one hahahahah just ribbing you
JJ would know a good street if he lived on one hahahahah just ribbing you
Haha
In the Netherlands there are brick streets built in the 1600s that are still in fine shape.
Bricks are more expensive to build and maintain.
But if you looked at it over 100 years, and consider the cost of paving every so often bricks would be cheaper.
The initial cost of paving a road is the homeowners' responsibility. However, maintenance and resurfacing is the city's.
By the way, I like the bricks.
I like the bricks too, but my car sure doesn't when they are covered with ice. Another thing, I think 20mph is fast enough on residential streets anyway. You never know when a kid or animal will run out in front of a car and going slower will give a person a better chance of stopping fast enough.
Well guess we will most likely find out about the new pavement in the park.
About three blocks of 12th Street, South of Radio Lane, on the West side is school property. There would be a cost burden on the
property owners from Radio Lane to Kansas avenue, under the current
cost sharing plan. The school just got their bond issue [a big chunk of money]. Some of the increased traffic will be a result of the new ball field's out there. Wonder why they don't become neighborly and pave 12th Street? Any comments from 470?
Brick Streets are dangerous in the winter. Much too slick, I want asphalt and oiled rock chips.
As for the dirt road, MOVE somewhere else.
Mell KUHN is my HERO! So are the rest of the Commissioners
Mell wants a new hospital too!
Patrick McDonald likes the new location.
Actually, I guess I really don't care what any of you think, as it is all about ME!
I think we should not spend the money on a new ball field. But we are. I think the police should have drug dogs, but we don't. I think the street from Central to Chestnut should be closed for the week of Arkalalah to save police manpower, but it will not be.
But what does it matter what I think? It does not matter because I just like to use this blog to stir things up.
And the Traveler uses the Blogs to sell internet advertising. Each person that looks at the blog causes another "hit" to happen and for every certain number of "hits" the advertiser gets billed.
So why do we have questionable/objectional blogs? SIMPLE. ADVERTISING for the Traveler.
All the doctors are required by law to continue to take education classes at their own expense. When they go to these classes, they pay their expenses and not the city. They are also away from the office at their expense which means they are not getting paid.
I know many think they make too much but how many of us are willing to go to college for four years and then med school for 8 to 12 more at our own expense. The education costs for these people can surpass $300,000 for just tuition and books.
They deserve respect for putting their weekends on hold, their sleep interrrupted just so we can be healthy. Yeah, sometimes they play golf and sometimes they travel. Sometimes I play golf and sometimes I travel but no one gives me grief about it. Do I deserve free time more than they do? Do you?
We may resent that the doctors make more but I do not want the responsibility they have every day. I do want them to have the very best working conditions they can have. I do not want to think that a leaky ceiling or poor equipment would keep me from being patched up or make a difference in the care my injured child or grandchild would get.
What I want for myself is one thing but what I want for my kids and grandkids is far different.
I have to think what if? What if is one thing for me and another for those I love. Keep that in mind as you argue. Patching you up is fine but do you want to look at your injured and very sick child while they load them up on a helicopter to go to Wichita when it might have been handled here.
Have you raced to Wichita behind an ambulance. I have and it just isn't fun. In fact, it is the most desperate feelings in the world.
This is about more than me. It has to be about the future. This board shows many narrow minded views against businesses and people but it sure doesn't find any real solutions except to keep things the same. That is okay for now but I just can't think it will be okay for five years from now and that is what we need to address. What type of health care do you want for your family?
the type of health care iget has absolutley nothing to do with location,
there are better places for the hospital than 2 miles north,, no one is saying that we do not want a new hospital,, we just say we want it in city limits
The hospital site north of town is within annexed city limits and now the city owns much of the proposed site as well. The sales tax here is relatively low compared to other parts of the state. An extra 1 percent for both streets and the hospital may be a bummer for a bit but think about it, on a hundred dollar purchase this is only one more dollar, come on we can do that! As far as streets are concerned, we need all the extra funding for streets we can get. I am not sure on the city's funds for street improvement but street improvement is a must in this town. I like the brick streets too, but I wonder if the city can effectively replace the bricks, if they do then less projects will be completed over all.
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