Here is the latest from the Walnut Valley Festival about the rain
Walnut Valley Festival Campers Forced to Clear Campgrounds ahead of Rising River
Winfield, Kansas… By order of the Winfield City Police the campers that had arrived early to attend the Walnut Valley Festival were asked to vacate the Winfield Fairgrounds due to the rise of the Walnut River which borders 3 sides of the fairgrounds. Heavy rains North of Winfield in Butler County have caused the river to rise above flood stage. Water is covering a portion of the campgrounds but so far it has not reached buildings.
The move from the fairgrounds proceeded in a safe orderly fashion with campers being assisted at times by festival workers. The city of Winfield has made a number of locations available to folks for temporary parking of their campers. The Winfield Livestock Auction Company also has provided refuge for the displaced campers.
At this time festival producers are working to protect stages and equipment from possible damage by the rising river. They are also continuing with preparations for this year’s festival set to begin on September 17th with hands-on workshops and then beginning September 18 through 21 with the championship contests and professional artist concerts. The producers of the Walnut Valley Festival have stated they do intend to present the festival this year and that as soon as it is known the status of the fairgrounds an announcement will be made as to any changes that may need to take place.
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All the doctors are required by law to continue to take education classes at their own expense. When they go to these classes, they pay their expenses and not the city. They are also away from the office at their expense which means they are not getting paid.
I know many think they make too much but how many of us are willing to go to college for four years and then med school for 8 to 12 more at our own expense. The education costs for these people can surpass $300,000 for just tuition and books.
They deserve respect for putting their weekends on hold, their sleep interrrupted just so we can be healthy. Yeah, sometimes they play golf and sometimes they travel. Sometimes I play golf and sometimes I travel but no one gives me grief about it. Do I deserve free time more than they do? Do you?
We may resent that the doctors make more but I do not want the responsibility they have every day. I do want them to have the very best working conditions they can have. I do not want to think that a leaky ceiling or poor equipment would keep me from being patched up or make a difference in the care my injured child or grandchild would get.
What I want for myself is one thing but what I want for my kids and grandkids is far different.
I have to think what if? What if is one thing for me and another for those I love. Keep that in mind as you argue. Patching you up is fine but do you want to look at your injured and very sick child while they load them up on a helicopter to go to Wichita when it might have been handled here.
Have you raced to Wichita behind an ambulance. I have and it just isn't fun. In fact, it is the most desperate feelings in the world.
This is about more than me. It has to be about the future. This board shows many narrow minded views against businesses and people but it sure doesn't find any real solutions except to keep things the same. That is okay for now but I just can't think it will be okay for five years from now and that is what we need to address. What type of health care do you want for your family?
This board shows many narrow minded views against businesses and people but it sure doesn't find any real solutions except to keep things the same.
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Yes thats true, and then theyll complain about things staying the same.
Ive challenged people from the beginning to get off their behinds and do sometnhng.
Dont know what HNB has to do with this, but im sure they are part of the conspiracy in some way.
i agree
"I have to think what if? What if is one thing for me and another for those I love. Keep that in mind as you argue. Patching you up is fine but do you want to look at your injured and very sick child while they load them up on a helicopter to go to Wichita when it might have been handled here."
There really is a difference. I've paid 4 grand for an MRI in Winfield where they couldn't find anything. There was something that they missed that could have been found and it caused big problems later. Is this the kind of care you would want?
Specialists are in big cities for a reason. Some specialties (cancer treatment ie: gamma knives, cardiac surgery, burn treatment, etc) take millions and millions of dollars per year to do properly, and it takes a huge feeder population (and sometimes huge tax base) to support it.
If my kid had a broken leg and it needed to be X-rayed and set without surgery I would not hesitate to use the local docs.
With anything that required more than a hometown country doctor, I would need to wonder if I was risking my kid's life or health by not getting sufficient care.
I agree with the poster, but disagree about the solution. It is way more important to choose the right care when you are doing it for others that depend on you.
That's right. There are some things so highly specialized that you want the top dog. But what about the care after that? recovery and checking back? Do you have to go back to the top dog for all of that or just someone highly trained? Wouldn't it be nice not to have to go back to Wichita for weeks when we could have someone qualified right here at home?
Most docs in the cities will send you back home and work with a local doc on the things that are not critical.
Don't get me wrong. You need a local primary care physician for booboos and colds. It is a lot safer to leave the specialist stuff to specialists.
Oh, yeah. It is almost a sure thing that Ark City won't have the specialists who are truly qualified. Remember the $300,000 med school education that seems so expensive? Specialists in big cities make that in 2 to 3 months. They won't move to AC and give that up unless something is wrong. Be suspicious if they do.
Specialists in big cities make that in 2 to 3 months. They won't move to AC and give that up unless something is wrong. Be suspicious if they do.
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This is what i mean about negativity.
This is a textbook example of naysaying.
If they dont build it you will probably criticize them for not building it ...
a new hospital is a drawing card for doctors.
some might be tired of the big city life and actually like it here.
just because someone comes here from a larger place doesnt mean there is something wrong with the person.
i know lots of people in AC who could make more and and more prestige in a larger place, but choose to stay here.
It is always possible that someone is not who they claim to be, and its possible that someone would come here to escape their past ...
but to assume that is the case, insults us all.
The implication here is that those who came are inferior. That is not true. We have three new docs/dentists that have come back and they can hardly be judged inferior but say they chose to be here. All of the docs that are here chose to be here. They were recruited and came and I hope they will stay. They had those same debts and the same cost of living as those in the big city.
here is a photo album full of pictures of the flood area west of the city on 166 hwy, wanted to email to the traveler but there is no send current news email addy, click on link or copy and post to your browser
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"just because someone comes here from a larger place doesn't mean there is something wrong with the person."
Of course not. Last time I looked, every single doc in town came to AC from a larger town. Why? there is no med school in AC.
All docs are not alike and all needs are not alike. There is a big difference between what a GP does and what a specialist does.
Specialists won't move to AC because there aren't enough people in AC with their special diseases, they won't make enough money and they won't be able to advance their careers in AC.
It doesn't make them snobbish or AC deficient.
It's like Cowley College. It ain't MIT or Harvard and building them a new classroom won't make it so. You will never get a PhD degree from Cowley College. It isn't Cowley's fault they will never get a national research scientist or JD program. It is just the way it is.
AC will never get a real specialist because they have better things to do and better places to be and more money to make. It says nothing about AC or the specialists.
No it is not naysaying, it is just how the world is. The opposite of naysaying is pollyannaism. Don't be a pollyanna. Be a realist.
Interesting comparison to Cowley College.
A top notch softball team, one of the world's greatest CC volleyball teams. Many young people drawn in from around the world. There is a reason for people to come to Ark City.
There are also people - including doctors - that would choose Ark City for its lifestyle. How many might choose to raise a family here in a small town setting. How many might be interested in spending their last 10 or 15 years in Ark City so they can retire here?
If you don't see a good side to this you need to open your mind and take a real look. Ask people that do enjoy living here why. Find out what you have to put up with in bigger cities. Find out why people prefer to live in Ark City.
We DO have specialists here. What do you think the surgeon is? Specialists come here daily and some would like to stay here more often but have no space.
Yes, some do want to practice here!
We will never know what can happen if we do not have the availability for them to be here.
Cowley built dorms and more students came. We can build a new hospital and more doctors and patients will come.
You are not a naysayer to doubt but a doubter and afraid to think what if. We have to think beyond today. Let's go for tomorrow.
We DO have specialists here. What do you think the surgeon is? Specialists come here daily and some would like to stay here more often but have no space.
Yes, some do want to practice here!
We will never know what can happen if we do not have the availability for them to be here.
Cowley built dorms and more students came. We can build a new hospital and more doctors and patients will come.
You are not a naysayer to doubt but a doubter and afraid to think what if. We have to think beyond today. Let's go for tomorrow.
"Cowley built dorms and more students came. We can build a new hospital and more doctors and patients will come."
It is unlikely that patients will ever come to Ark City hospital from other places than the Ark City area.
It is a waste of money to overbuild.
"Many young people drawn in from around the world"
They are recruited and given a free ride to play sports games.
Is that really fair to the local kids that have to pay full price?
They are recruited and given a free ride to play sports games.
Is that really fair to the local kids that have to pay full price?
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Thats the whole athlete question. I would say its fair because there are ARK CITY KIDS that get athletic scholarships to cowley too.
Just have to work your butt off as a teen to become a good enough athlete.
Schools make a lot more money off the athletes than they give to the athletes in the form of scholarships and such.
Especially at the major college level.
They are recruited and given a free ride to play sports games.
Is that really fair to the local kids that have to pay full price?
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Thats the whole athlete question. I would say its fair because there are ARK CITY KIDS that get athletic scholarships to cowley too.
Just have to work your butt off as a teen to become a good enough athlete.
Schools make a lot more money off the athletes than they give to the athletes in the form of scholarships and such.
Especially at the major college level.
"Is that really fair to the local kids that have to pay full price?"
If you paid full price to go to Cowley than you weren't very motivated to find a scholarship and that my friend is their fault not out of town athletes. I don't think I knew a single person that paid full price and I didn't hang out with any atheletes.
I look at this issue as more what is our competitive advantage? Just having a new facility is not necessarily enough to differentiate ourselves from other small towns.
There has been a huge hospital building boom over the last few years so I doubt that we are the only rural community building a new hospital.
Secondly, most rural hospitals offer the same lifestyle as Ark City.
My question is, given that it is difficult to recruit specialists to rural areas, what benefit does Ark City bring to a doctor beyond a new hosptial and small town living? Since, those qualities can be found in other places and seem to be the main reasons given for why doctors might want to come to AC.
BTW, PriceWaterHouseCoopers did a study that said health care costs will rise at least 10% in 2008 and again in 2009 partly due to the hospital building boom. Doesn't necessarily negate that we might need new facilities it is just an interesting bit of information.
The medical community plays a huge part in recruiting new doctors and if they are positive about what is going on in the area that will make the difference. Without a hospital that is up to date, recruiting AND retaining will be impossible.
Hospitals are building in all areas but ours will be a big plus in Kansas because it is rural and because few hosptials in smaller areas in Kansas are being built. As strange as it may seem, many people that are doctors don't want the big city life and style of practice.
You have to look at each area and not national stats to get a fair evaluation no matter what the issue.
I would imagine that I could give a hundred reasons we need a hospital, and the person that does not want it will come come up with 200 reasons against it.
How dare you poison the community with your pointless views and petty complaints. How dare you say you act out of the wishes of the majority....HOGWASH!! You only torment those of us that care about the community. You only bitch and complain to hear yourself. You only care about yourself and no one else. So ask thoughtful questions, but quit saying all this negative crap about the doctors and specialists. We are lucky to have them here, and specialists (with EXCELLENT reputations) have been recruited and are waiting in the wings.
Before you write one more lie, before you hurt one more persons feelings, before you open your worthless mouth, think about someone other than your pitiful self.
yea but how do you really feel?
Grumpy, egocentric and self-righteous. ;)
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