From a poster ....
Progress for next year. Who would you like to see run for city commissioner. I'ts just around the corner, lets throw some names out there, maybe even a little encouragement. Might even offer some hope for change or would be satisfied with the status quo..
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The deadline is not far away.
Scott and Joel have not said publicly if they are running.
I know Patrick is really undecided.
Who are some people who would be good but whose names have never surfaced in such talk?
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I want to see JJ run for commission!
Anonymous said...
I want to see JJ run for commission!
NOW THAT is the most retarded thing ever posted on the blog!!!!!
Maybe they would like to see me run just so they could vote against me.
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"NOW THAT is the most retarded thing ever posted on the blog!!!!!
December 30, 2008 9:53 AM
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Back off, I was just kidding, obviously JJ reads the humor in the post. Jeesh..
I would vote for you JJ.
I wouldn't!
jj 4 president! :-)
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Back off, I was just kidding, obviously JJ reads the humor in the post. Jeesh..
On the morning of January 2nd everyone in Ark City MUST get up and first throw away all of their underwear. Yes, that is right, throw away all of their underwear. Burn it, bury it, I don't care just as long as all old underwear is gone.
Next step go to the store of your choice in the town of your choice. Be it Lowe's in Ponca, Wal-mart in Wichita, it doesn't matter.
Go to the store and buy all new underwear 2 sizes larger than what you think you wear. Yes 2 sizes bigger.
Majority of the people in this town have their panties on to tight, and maybe this will help ease the problems......
Thanks for the chuckles. That kind of humor makes me keep reading this blog!
Seriously, is there anyone out there willing to face the drama of the city and make a difference?
I really hope Patrick and Joel return. They are the only voices of reason on the council.
"Back off, I was just kidding, obviously JJ reads the humor in the post. Jeesh..
On the morning of January 2nd everyone in Ark City MUST get up and first throw away all of their underwear. Yes, that is right, throw away all of their underwear. Burn it, bury it, I don't care just as long as all old underwear is gone.
Next step go to the store of your choice in the town of your choice. Be it Lowe's in Ponca, Wal-mart in Wichita, it doesn't matter.
Go to the store and buy all new underwear 2 sizes larger than what you think you wear. Yes 2 sizes bigger.
Majority of the people in this town have their panties on to tight, and maybe this will help ease the problems......
December 30, 2008 2:55 PM"
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Nah, I think thats the most retarded post ever.
Nah, I think thats the most retarded post ever.
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You should be first in line for new panties........
I thought the panty post was very funny!
Not only are the panties too small, but they're all bunched up as well!
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I think they need to get ALL new people on the commission.
I think for the sake of progress and a future we need to stop getting all new people on the commission.
I also think we need to use our voice and votes to do more than complian and act out our discontent.
Try voting for what you want instead of what you don't want. Ask for ewhat you want instead of what you don't want.
Demand what you want instead of what you don't want. Then hold people accountable who promised to give you what you want instead of what you don't want.
But, please stop getting all new people! Please!!
I'm not seeing any names here.
I don't think we have to worry about getting all new people...
Who would want the job in these times, with a racist mayor and Dottie the badge flasher running the show?
Hopefully Patrick and Joel will stay on and then we can get someone new to run against Kuhn and Smith when the time comes. Maybe then we will see some progress.
When I think of all the work the previous long time council put in, only to have it ruined by Kuhn and Smith, it makes my blood boil.
Sure, don't throw 'em out of office at one term, but, we do need "term limits", even at the local level.
It's stupid when they stay on the commission for 10 years. Some get on there and quickly forget who voted them in. Start thinking they're "somebody". Start using their newfound power to do what they want. Even granting favors to family and friends. It's happened. Those who have been around a while can say it's true.
How many $$ did we spend on the Consulting firm to locate Mr. Doug Russell? I know, because I was here.
Commission? A person would have to be a fool to want the position. Or one who sincerely wants to try & help. Once they've been on there, that's it. Let them volunteer around town like the rest of us.
Who's running for Commission? Not me.
Lifelong Ark Citian
charles said...
I think for the sake of progress and a future we need to stop getting all new people on the commission.
Charles for city commissioner!!! We will also need a back-up canidate. If it rains on election day Charles' supporters won't show at the polls.......
Okay, I have it.......
If it is sunny and nice on election day we go with Charles.
If it rains we will have Marshall Ice run in Charles place. Surely Marshall's supporters will get out in the rain?
POOPY PANTS POOPY PANTS
This blog is the exact reason why no one wants to run. Sure we can build a commission of "yes men". Sure Ark City can look the other way to the smell coming from Kan Pak. I'm sure a certain commissioner didn't use any of his power to illegally let his employer dump waste. But yes that isn't nearly as bad as flashing a badge. Ooooh that Dottie makes me so mad with her support for local business, her rental property improvements making the town a better place to live, her attendance to church and her general concern for this towns citizens. And Mel don't even get me started on that klan member. I mean we have a black president now so the world has changed, no one on this blog would ever laugh at a tasteless joke, right? No one on this blog has ever screwed up right? Let me tell you people something, for a town full of saints we sure have a full police notes every night.
Are you trying to say that Joel Hockenberry broke the law?
THAT is libelous.
Implying knowledge of pollution against EPA standards. Fixed now but it was a problem for a while.
Dirty stinking hippie. Who cares about pollution as long as the rich get richer
THAT is libelous.
Not if it is true...... :)
From the Traveller
An odor from a wastewater pretreatment facility at the Kan-Pak plant on South Summit Street has several neighboring business people upset.
"It stinks and I don't like it," said Anna Wonser, owner of A & W Welding Supply, 1117 S. Summit. "People who come in to trade with us, they smell it too. It's pretty nasty."
A next door businesswoman, Carol Gabbert, addressed the City Commission on the issue Tuesday night.
"I think it's very detrimental not only because of the smell but because of property issues," said Gabbert, owner of the Mule Barn Supper Club. It is located across the street from Kan-Pak.
Gabbert said she lives behind the Mule Barn, and depending on the wind gets the smell both at home and at work.
"I'm getting ready to retire and had two potential buyers turn down the business because of the smell," she said.
Gabbert said she wasn't complaining to get Kan-Pak closed.
"I don't want to shut this plant down, but if Creekstone can knock their smell down, I know Kan-Pak can," she said.
Commissioners told Gabbert they would look into the odor issue.
On Wednesday, City Manager Doug Russell e-mailed commission members and reported that he had spoken with Gabbert and a group of interested neighbors regarding the issue.
Russell said he and the city's environmental supervisor, Clay Randel, and other city officials met with Kan-Pak and the company's engineering firm regarding the wastewater pretreatment operation located on Kan-Pak grounds.
"In early February, the city was provided a letter, detailing the construction modifications that are going to take place to improve the pretreatment process," Russell said in the e-mail. "This work should significantly improve not only the pretreatment, but also the odor issue."
The phased construction should mark improvements in the odor issue by early April, if not sooner, Russell said.
Commissioner Joel Hockenbury, who works at Kan-Pak, said he could not comment because there is a conflict. Kan-Pak officials did not return calls seeking comment.
Now this hippie asks why the smell was monitered at Creekstone but took so long to do the same at a business that has been here far longer?
You want a commissioner who could get things done then you would have loved James "Big Jim" Cavanaugh who served on the commission in the late 1930's.
I recall him being a commissioner in 1939. I was only 13 years old but he made an impression on me.
When the owner of the fith ave. billards room fought the city over a liqour license, Big Jim was the one who settled the issue. Me and my dad was return from delivering livestock to South Haven.
We took the sixth street bridge over the Arkansas river headin' home. There was the billards owner and Big Jim in the middle of the bridge. Actually Big Jim was on the bridge holding the billards fellow over the railing by his bib overalls.
Dad slowed as we passed and asked Jim if there was a problem. He just grinned and said he was working on some city matters. Next day the billards hall was closed and the feller had left town.
I rember my grandpa telling me several big jim stories we need a person like that for the comisson
I say re-ellect Mel. You have to have a sense of humor to deal with the slack jawed yokels of this town. I hope Hockenburry runs again too. His Jeff Dunham impersination is to die for he just needs to get his hand out of his "Walter" McDonald puppet and try a new one like peanut.
Is it his head or his hand up "Walter" McDonald's butt :)
We do need to keep Mel he brings a much needed diversity to the commission. How many other city commissions can claim a 6' 4" African American Transvestite?????
The owner of one of the local Liqour stores should be on the commission. Then maybe they could get a discount for the "Friady Night" meetings.....
A plea for possible names of commission candidates - quite varied reply. One would get the impression that it is a thankless job. The only thanks are those you would give yourself for doing your best and keeping your self respect in the process. Maybe that is all some require and that is a good thing. Who knows who may pop up in 2009.
"stop the hurt, stop the pain, we can't screw it up any worse than they did!" --Barack Obama
"stop the hurt, stop the pain, we can't screw it up any worse than they did!" --Barack Obama
I'm willing to give Barack his chance.
But. ask yourself why is it that you are seeking someone else to resolve all the issues?
Good or Great leaders do not make all the decisions. They listen and gather information. They look for common ground, ideas, and try to find common solutions.
"Great leaders are made by Great followers who together choose to overcome Great circumstances!"
Anonymous said...
"stop the hurt, stop the pain, we can't screw it up any worse than they did!" --Barack Obama
hussien obama? I would rather have our 6-4 african american tranny running things
Anonymous said...
f it is sunny and nice on election day we go with Charles.
If it rains we will have Marshall Ice run in Charles place. Surely Marshall's supporters will get out in the rain?
I took this poison to the alter with me last evening during our watch service. I prayed that God would replace the bitterness in the heart of this person and others in our community who hide in the darkness and hurl meaningless stones that only diminish who they are.
The more you hide behind anonymity to try and insult or provoke the less of a contributor you are to society as a whole.
You are wasting precious time and intelligence that God has given you to make a contribution in word or deed that might benefit someone.
How about turn off your computer on Sunday morning and come to church with me and let's praise God for giving us another year.
who hide in the darkness and hurl meaningless stones that only diminish who they are.
And what of the person/corporation that empowers these people? Is it not the shadow of the Traveler that provides these nay sayers with the darkness in which to hide?
In the bright light that is public, these people would not have the courage to say these hurtful things. In the light of day, where they can be seen for who they really are, these people would be serpents with a forked tongue.
The forked tongue would agree with the majority and have not an unkind word to say in the light. However the other side of the tongue would issue forth words of posion under the cover of anonymous darkness.
For the sake of a few pieces of silver the Traveler provides the darkness and shelter for these serpents. The more controversy the more people come to this blog, this snake pit of rumor and lie.
The more people who come the more silver is made by the Traveler. And i say to them cast off this viel of darkness, expose those who lack courage and compassion. We shall not support those who provide the very snake pit that harms are fair city. Repent and bring forth the light.
"The more you hide behind anonymity to try and insult or provoke the less of a contributor you are to society as a whole."
Charles, if you consider your drug pushing boys as a contribution to society, then I say you are also wicked. You blame the ACPD for "picking" on them instead of seeing they are on the wrong path.
"You are wasting precious time and intelligence that God has given you to make a contribution in word or deed that might benefit someone."
Of all my faults; I do not. Have not. And will not sell drugs nor use drugs like the many in AC. I think that in itself is a benefit to society. I work full time and pat my taxes so those in need get welfare, as those who scam the system do too. The illegals get my money, the worthless banks get my money and the city and county all get my money. So preach to someone that cares about your opinion.
"How about turn off your computer on Sunday morning and come to church with me and let's praise God for giving us another year."
The offer is nice, Thanks, but no thank you! I am Christian as the next person; I judge others by a standard of which I do not use myself!
I just wish we would get a commission that would listen! Stop for a second and listen and observe! Get off their own personal agendas and listen and observe as to what is going on! They are ALL and I mean ALL out for their own agendas and trying to be the sole player on the team and "save" the city! The diversity amongst them is over whelming and they all have different ideas on each and every issue that comes to the table. They don't listen to the people, they defend their own ideas to the hild and never once admit when they wrong about an idea. They are quick to make decisions and pass stuff under the table and quickly that they know is against the will of the majority.
For supposedly being on "our" side, why do they come off like such the enemy! Why do ALL the city workers and I mean the majority here, literally hate them?? Nothing good to say! Why do the department heads despise them and having to work with them? It's a joke!
I agree, who would want the job! You have to be qualified these day and ages to run forst of all. This would include being selfish, racist, hypocryte, bias, etc! There's only a few out there who are actually qualified! Some drug addicts come to mind that might be qualified! This is usually their same standard!
For the attack, I shall simply pray again. The Bible exhorts us to pray for our enemies and those who despise us.
It is our only victory. We cannot prevail in any other manner.
Scripture also declares that some would rather embrace a lie than the truth. For those too, the answer is prayer.
As much as lie within, be at peace with all men. That's what I aim to do. So continue to attack and I will continue to pray.
You know... that is really part of the problem.
Instead of listening to folks who might have a good idea once in a while, some do whatever screwed up thing they have on their personal agendas and then hide their heads in sand and "pray" to God about it.
God doesn't like losers any more than anyone else. The Bible says to solve your own problems and deal with your own responsibilities first.
If AC elected priests or mullahs to rule it, then it might be OK for them to screw up and hope for God to fix it.
Where did the idea come from that Commissioners shouldn't have to listen to public input?
It's a no-brainer.
JJ asked a good question and now this has turned into an arguement that should really be kept out of it.
Charles, I appreciate that you both put your name up on here and serve the city as you do.
Those who attach you would be better off having a private conversation with you rather than post there suggestions for how you live your life and support your family members.
The more people who come the more silver is made by the Traveler. And i say to them cast off this viel of darkness, expose those who lack courage and compassion. We shall not support those who provide the very snake pit that harms are fair city. Repent and bring forth the light.
January 1, 2009 12:22 PM
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Posted by an Anonymous?
OK here is a suggestion for the City Commissioners:
how about Jim Sybrant, Nick Rogers, and Karen Zeller?
Curtis Eaton, Jan Salisbury, Tom McNich, Steve English, Robert DeCourdes, Steve Fitzgerald and Greg Kelley. They all are 1st class businesslike people
James Jordan, Marshall Ice, Marty Mutti & Bozo the Clown
What about Jesse Lee and Nici? KSOK has the inside scoop I think
KAREN WOULD BE EXCELLENT!!!
So would Justin Sparks, if he lives in city limits, anyone know?
What about Jesse Lee and Nici?
Yeah.
Nici could be mayor.
Anyone remember when she was blogging as chuck and about 12 other names on the forum?
Good choice for mayor. (not).
"They all are 1st class businesslike people."
I don't know them personally. Am sure they are nice folk. BUT, the reason why good capable people refuse the assignment is because of the constant criticizing, complaining, lampooning, etc., etc., that you have to go through. Who needs it? Who wants it?
Hooray for the ones who try. Inevitably though, sometimes you wind up with a person who has no business on the Commission whatsoever. Because they are the only ones willing to run. Or because they can make a decent speech. Heaven help A.C.
Seriously, j.j., I wish you would consider it.
Ok I am not too good with a bible here but I think I can get through a verse.
"Judge not lest yea be judged first."
Thought it was prevalant to some of these arguements. Everyone forgets that Jesus washed a hookers feet huh? Who on this blog has never screwed up really? I mean I'll be honest here I think I am probably the poster child for life lessons. Look up big mistake in the dictionary and it says see Zach Bryant. So everyone here wants to "cast the first stone (or stoner in some cases)(a joke)" I think everyone has the right to complain but to personally attack is wrong. I believe that George Bush made some dumb decisions in office, so did Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Mayor Guliani in NY, hell everyone who has ever had a position of power has done something the "people" didn't like. Let us all forget that those who don't like a policy will scream much louder than those that get their way. Do I say Clinton was a perv or Bush is an idiot. No, I don't know the men so all I can truelly judge is their polocy. Dottie, Mel, and Scott are all great people who have all done alot of great things for this community. Have they made mistakes? Sure they are human. Would any of the names on that list do any better? They would probably all do great things but I also imagine at some point they would get bashed on here too. We could have Jesus Christ, Ghandi, and Mother Terresa on the commision and there would still be people upset. I want to remind everyone that you vote on these peoples personal agendas so why does it surprise you all when they make decissions with their hearts? Sorry I just realized I implied Joel and Mr. McDonald aren't good people. I did not mean to do that, I just honestly don't know them to say. I'm sure they are both great men in some aspects and not in others. Just like everyone else. How about a town New Years resolution to start focusing on the good instead of the bad? I know it's a little insane but I think we might just be able to pull it off.
Charles, please realize as I roam through the archives of the Traveller that people are just quoting you. I think that the comments are probably meant in humor even if not funny. When you argue with them you are just giving them more fuel and causing them to try harder to annoy you. Just some persaonal advice from when I've been blasted on here.
Anyways back on topic
Alan Brooks, Bob Foster, and Steve Ross are all good men I'd like to see run.
Thanks for reading and Happy New Years to you all.
"Get off their own personal agendas and listen and observe...."
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Thats's what most of them do best, especially the female commissioner that owns rental property. This is my last gripe until the next election. I get a pretty good idea a few of them will not make it through the next election if they run again. Can't wait to pull them off their high horse know it all ways.
Of course Zach Bryant thinks that Kuhn, Smith and Margolis are great leaders. They saved his store (and Eaton's) from being ran out of business by Lowes after all, but they did it by completely ignoring the will of the majority of this towns citizens in order to cater to a select few. For that, they will be cast out when they come up for election. Of that I have no doubt.
Zach, you are soooo right. I looked up big mistake and has your name! Just kidding, LOL! Anyways, I understand where you are coming from about decisions coming from the heart. I have come to think 4 out of 5 commissioners are ok, but there is still one that I think has misused HER status way too often and uses that to get her own way around the city, too many people know that and with the election coming up, I would be thinking about others and not her own self.
Everybody PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!!
You people seem to know what the problem and solution is for everything in this city, so run for commission.
Thats right run for commission. Dazzle us with your leadership brillance! Show us how you can get 100% approval from the citizens of this town.
If you don't live in the city then SHUT the HELL UP. You wanna whiiiine about the AC commission then move into the city.
If the county residents wanted a Lowes so bad then they should have worked with the COUNTY commission to find an alternate sight outside of AC. (and Winfield since they also rejected Lowes).
How many of you who complain have ever actually gone to a city meeting? You want the commission to listen then get off your butt and go to a meeting.
Typing snide remarks on the blogs gets you no where. Why would the commissioners want to read the garbage on here? If they did why would they give any creditbility to a anonymous post?
Might I ask why only business people are being mentioned for commission candidates? There's GOT to be an ordinary "Joe Citizen" out there who'd be a great candidate. Variety is the spice of life!
I honostly wish at this point they had voted in the Lowes. Oh wait they never got to vote on a Lowes they got to vote on a development company. One that if you attended the meetings, got caught in a few lies of their own. Do to that people who improve property in this town, attend local churches, and actually wish to be involved (and mind you aren't too cowardly to put their names to their convictions) suffer for me. I honestly hurt for that. I wish I could take it all back. I wish that when my father became so fed up with the previous commission that he left town I would have not been such a knot head and followed suit. My mistake was thinking that we are a town of individuals that want this town to be different than all others, better than all others. Constantly I hear about how much better Winfield is, don't you? Funny that town has no Lowes, they didn't bow to Wal-mart, their local businesses support one another, heck they even have a super nice skate park and far less vandalism. Wow, what am I doing in Ark City? Apparently we would like to be one giant strip mall. No individuality is tollerated why is that? I think my previous post proves my point. I ask for tollerance and love, I quote scripture and say nothing negative about anyone and still I get assaulted. Haha. I expect it. I am different and know that most in this town can't tollerate that. JJ I think we could save alot of time by just allowing me to post a blog saying love to all. Then there would be a designated area for me to get insulted.
To anonymous January 2, 2009 9:40 AM............. Excuse me? I would rather listen to a whiner then some maniac who wants to get on here and practically yell and carryon like you do, brown noser.
IF Charles is Charles Jennings- you have to be kidding me- preaching to me about church? You are an exploiter of this town with your self serving agenda- please don't have the audacity to tell me what type of christian to be you reverse racist self supporting agenda pusher! I put you right up there with the rest of them!!
Well, that makes a lot of sense why nothing was done about Kan-oak for so long if Hockenbury is employed there. What a disgusting embarassment to our city the stink that place puts out!!!
Charles- you just don't get it with your self-rightous attitude. People are saying YOU DON'T LISTEN AND YOU SUPPORT YOUR OWN AGENDA- then how did you comment? I will pray for you. Still not listening- still self promoting. You and many other so called Christians will wake up one day after the rapture and find out that serving yourself is not serving God. Also, it won't matter what you tried to make yourself 'appear' to be- it is what and who you are that is the truth and those of us who live her and watch the council already know your worth.
Sticky Nici?
working at the radio station only makes you qualified to know who sings what song and thats about it.
dont be fooled by witty banter and a smile , they are not as they seem
I get it. And I stil say, I will pray for you. Even more earnestly I will pray for you.
Perhaps you can redirect your energy to the question at the top of the blog.
Blessed are ye (me) when men (anaonymous included) shall revile you and say all manner of evil against you. Rejoice and be EXCEEDINGLY glad.
I will keep praying and you keep doing what you do. God's choicest blessings be upon you.
ok guys-be nice. I went to school with Nici and I doubt she is the same girl she was then. As for the other radio personalities, I would rather have smellicious puhn and his sideshow freaks dottie the badge flasher and the little yes man than the big mouths at KSOK running the show.
I tend to agree with December 31, 2008 8:52 AM's comments.
. Everyone forgets that Jesus washed a hookers feet huh?
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Well its easy to forget since it never happened.
At least try reading the New Testament before you make such claims.
Oh my goodness
But I bet Jesus has a sense of humor and is laughing his .... halo off right now.
I think I follow Ark City's "politics" pretty well the last 20 years or so, and the only two things I can remember Charles Jennings promoting as his "agenda" are Christianity and Diversity relations in the community, both of which are quite good for the town. Some of you all might be dreaming up some odd theories with your seemingly abundance of time.
"Well its easy to forget since it never happened.
At least try reading the New Testament before you make such claims."
Not exactly, but close. In the Bible, Mary Magdalene (who is regarded in dogma as having been a prostitute) is said to have washed Jesus' feet with her tears and dried them with her hair.
Don't be too rough on Zach. He just had it backwards. Hooker washed Jesus' feet.
Well its easy to forget since it never happened.
At least try reading the New Testament before you make such claims.
Oh my goodness
But I bet Jesus has a sense of humor and is laughing his .... halo off right now.
Ok so here is a spiritual difference. Mary Magdalene was at Jesus's side ever sense he cast out her seven demons. In my beliefs a woman can be a diciple as much as a man. Did Jesus not wash the feet of all those with him before going to the cross? Darn, stupid pagan kid actually does read his bible, and the pagan version, and the catholic version, and the buhdist version, and the Koran. But I think he does have a great sense of humor. I mean look at the platypuss. (I now would like to appologize to all platypi lovers)
I do give Zach extra points for his memory of the sunday school stories.
Lagonda
@January 2, 2009 4:36 PM
charles: the correct quote. I believe the last 4 words you left off your quote are important. You aren't blessed just because someone spoke evil against you, but the qualifier if I read this correct is: Is what they say false?
"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Jesus, from the Sermon on the Mount
Forget the points, do I get a cookie?
this conversation has gone dry boys- rather than trying to impress each other with bible lessons (which are easily quoted) why not prove yourselves with the life you live then maybe others wouldn't cast stones- so to speak!! if charles thinks people are treating him unfairly and making false charges, then i wonder what all the other 'poor' commissioners and current mayor must feel like- what a kick in the self esteem for trying to be a contributing citizen to our community. that is probably another reason why there is such a long list here of people who would be a good choice for commission (sarcasm) its doubtful that many good people care to run- we live in a town of self rightous asses.
this conversation has gone dry boys
So I don't get a cookie?
This quote was in the Saturday paper:
"Arkansas City Commissioner Dotty Smith said the smoking issue should be initiated by the citizens, not the City Commission.
"If enough citizens say they want a smoking law it should come up for a vote," Smith said. "It is more important that citizens have a voice."
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You mean like the voices on the Lowes petition that you threw in the trash? You mean like the majority of the people wanting to at least HEAR WHAT LOWE'S HAD TO SAY before you and your amigos ran them out of town? How dare you act as if you care about the voice of the people.
You people actually believe the stuff written in the bible? LOL!
Anonymous said...
Might I ask why only business people are being mentioned for commission candidates? There's GOT to be an ordinary "Joe Citizen" out there who'd be a great candidate. Variety is the spice of life!
Maybe it is because they have the money and the freedom to spend as much time as they like on politics without haveing to punch a clock just like the current commission. How does "Joe Citizen" get into the game and compete on a level field?
@January 2, 2009 9:44 AM
Also, to add to Rick's comment.
Generally a business person may be more business minded in conducting the City's business. Doesn't mean that a business person would do a better job, just that since they live (or have lived) in that world, they may have a better overall view of how to best wisely handle the City's finances & business. We've had many good commissioners who were not "business" people.
But, honestly it's like a full-time job that you don't get paid to do. So, as Rick stated, a business person may be able to schedule a bit more time for his new found "volunteer" job. Regular "Joe" who works for the "man" & punches a clock 9-5 may not be able to give the necessary time.
You mean like the voices on the Lowes petition that you threw in the trash? You mean like the majority of the people wanting to at least HEAR WHAT LOWE'S HAD TO SAY before you and your amigos ran them out of town?
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Seems like the Lowes developement situation just won't go away!
But, if you spent that same money (wasn't it $20 Mil.))on say a Small Business/Industry incubator on the same site? I wonder how much better return you would get on your investment. Maybe many times over the number of jobs created by a Lowe's.
What you don't seem to comprehend is that there isn't a second or third generation to carry on some of the local business and industry.
Several are selling out to bigger companies or just going out of business!
The young educated are leaving for higher paying and better developed areas. The money invested in their education benefits another area. The local businesses are bought by larger ones out of the area. That money benefits another area and so on--.
I know it is probably easier to support and develope Retail. But, those type jobs don't pay on the scale necessary to promote the type of development required for real growth.
"But, if you spent that same money (wasn't it $20 Mil.))on say a Small Business/Industry incubator on the same site?"
It is the same old lies and BS.
The *developer* was going to spend the money, not AC.
It doesn't matter now. The economy is in the tank. Developers can't get financed. We turned away someone who was going to invest 20 million in Ark City and insulted the crap out of them on the way out.
Ark City gets what they deserve: Nothing.
By the way. It really doesn't matter who you get now for Commissioners, because there isn't anything to develop even if they wanted to. Maybe we need someone who can preside over decreased tax revenue, shrinking Ark City population and a poorer economy, because that is what is coming.
A commissioner needs to be someone with a vision and not a vendetta.
Where they work is not the issue. Business owners are great but they get punished when people get angry with their decisons and take their business elsewhere. People working on the clock have to answer to the main boss. For these reasons we have been lucky to have had many retired people step forward. They were the common people who had spent time at normal jobs and wanted to give back to our community. We benefitted greatly from their time and their insight.
We need to look to our younger generation for leadership. They are not dumb and all chose to stay here or returned. What about Luke or Blanche Schmidt or Scott Rogers or Yazmin Wood or Clayton Pappan or Heather Munson or Scott Munson or Steve Lungren. Look to the youth. It is time they got the chance to make tomorrow great.
Funny, from being at the meetings I found that the commision was fine with hearing what Llowe's had to say, they just stated that they were giving no tax breaks. Is that really so odd? Look at your country people. We borrow money from Chinese bankers to pay for Arabian oil that we put in Japanese cars that are driven by illegal Mexican immigrants who make the rest of us late because they are afraid to drive above the speed limit in case a Puerto Rican cop pulls them over and calls a Jamaican-born CIS Agent who feeds that information into a Southern Korean- manufactured computer that is watchdogged by a guy sitting at a desk in Bombay, India. Our government just spent millions of dollars (we don't have mind you, probably borrowed from China) to bail out one of the few industries we actually have left. Too broad for you all, ok let's take it local. We are watching the funding for great programs like Big Brothers and Big Sisters dry up as we throw countless (wasted) dollars at the sidewalk in order to (as far as I can tell) make it harder to shovel snow? (Note: Big Brothers and Big Sisters would be a great deterent to vandalism and gangs) Where are all the businesses and people that were going to flood in from our new "improved" main street. We hide behind the term "grant money" which in essence means we are just contributing wastefully to the state of our nations economy. And the outstanding "Anonymous" suggestion? Give tax breaks to a company that imports over 90% of their goods, watch the new "beautiful" main street fold and esentially be part of the problem. I heard Dottie once say more people spoke to her against Llowe's than for but I guess sense their oppinions are different from your own then she is a liar? Show me another case in which she lied to us, I dare you. Here is the thing if you don't want someone a little self righteous in office, if you don't want personal agendas there, then don't vote. Or better yet vote no to all of them. News for those with blinders on everyone has a personal agenda, yes even Jesus. Do I think a smoking ban is stupid, yes. Will I publically try to humilliate and degrade the commission if they vote it in? No, I'd like to think that I'm more mature than that.
A personal agenda is different from a personal vendetta. Yes, people do enter office with ideas that they think will promote the community but if the community says we want to move this idea in a different direction the commission does not meet for coffee in a back room as some of ours did and discuss how they can circumvent those against their agenda. Instead they LISTEN and sometimes have to vote against what they think is personally best for them or their business. Sometimes they have to vote against their friends and sometimes they suffer financial loss. Sometimes things are fun but sometimes they are not and people need to run with that knowledge. It is not a popularity contest and it should be entered for the right reasons. It is an enormous commitment of time, patience, and working with people from all walks of life with all sorts of issues. This is not a place for an ego.
We need people truly willing to listen and to study all aspects. The reality is that this next election will not ignore the Lowe's issue and it shouldn't. Many people were angry because a commisssion failed to listen and voted on the whims of a few. some had legitimate concerns but for the most part this commission was swayed by a few with a personal vendetta feeding them misinformation which they never never truly studied. Perhaps, they ran on the idea of getting even and showing people how powerful they were.
We can not allow the next election to end up with people that focused on self and their own interests. I hope Mr. McDonald and Joel will run but why should they in the atmosphere of this community.
It is an enormous commitment of time, patience, and working with people from all walks of life with all sorts of issues. This is not a place for an ego.
We need people truly willing to listen and to study all aspects.
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Sorry, but they are only as good as the information that is provided to them for making decisions!
The Lowe's was a railroad job and they derailed it!
I find it hard to believe AC Ind.
spent 3 years on the project when Winfield had the opportunity to reject it. Sounded like a last ditch effort and a make shift plan!
But, I do think there was a lot of extra things they had planned around the complex. In a small town where there are big egos there are a lot of leaks of information and rumors.
There are people who are paid well or have a vested interest in the things they want or promote if they get their way!
You are trying to make the Commisioner's job too complicated,
important and difficult!
But, I do agree with your suggestion of trying to attract younger Comissioners.
If you have never served you can not understand how difficult it is. It is not just get elected and go to a few meetings. It will affect the lives of every person in the community and the life of the person who is elected to lead.
Young leaders would be awesome but most fear repercussions to their income from the public for unpopular decisions. They have lots to lose but would be our best option. They have the future interest at heart.
If you have never served you can not understand how difficult it is. It is not just get elected and go to a few meetings. It will affect the lives of every person in the community and the life of the person who is elected to lead.
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The Commissioners have no business siding one way or another with private sector competition!
They were put in that position!
I happen to agree with their present agenda - to take care of the city's business.
The fact that you want to make their job more difficult - involve them in so many other things just shows a dysfunctional business leadership!
You can not take care of city business without making difficult choices. Budget cuts are not easy and affect all of us. This is not about Lowe's but about the running of the city. Raising and lowering taxes, dealing with ordinances that affect many, are part of the job.
EVERY decision you make affects someone and it could be a business, several businesses, a neighborhood, anyone. Fun issues that are so easy...parking in the yard, cutting Big Brothers and Sisters Budgets, cutting the Cherokee Stip budget, smoking in public, pet licenses. I am not sure where taking care of city business is so easy and I am not trying to make it more difficult. Those issues not to mention things like Lowes and downtown windows involve the city business.
I agree that getting good people who will seriously look at those issues will be difficult. I am optimistic and know that good people have served before and will step forward again.
I am ready for a positive change in this community and no more of this whining about "poor old Ark City". We determine our own destiny.
We need people truly willing to listen and to study all aspects. The reality is that this next election will not ignore the Lowe's issue and it shouldn't. Many people were angry because a commisssion failed to listen and voted on the whims of a few. some had legitimate concerns but for the most part this commission was swayed by a few with a personal vendetta feeding them misinformation which they never never truly studied. Perhaps, they ran on the idea of getting even and showing people how powerful they were.
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Once again I ask do you have any proof of this or is it personal vendetta on your part. Honestly this is the most retarded thing I've read on this blog. More lies and false accusations from someone that didn't get their way is what I'm hearing. Show proof that people fed them false info, prove that the majority wanted it (and not just your coffee group), put your name behind your convictions, or better yet put your name on the ballot so we can blame you every time we don't agree.
It's difficult to prove what would or would not have come out of the Lowe's deal, BECAUSE WE WERE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HEAR THE DEAL! They killed it without even taking the next logical step and hearing what was on the table. And they did it because ONE, Kuhn would lose business, and TWo, because the local hardware people (Mainly Zach and Eaton) whined louder than anyone else. The petition had 400 or so names on it that should have been heard over the whining of a few, but it's obvious that the three amigos were more interested in keeping the local, high priced, low inventory, businesses happy.
I couldn't care less how many people Lowe's would or would not have employed. All I want is to not have to drive 30 minutes to get some decent home repair items. I got a few hundreds of dollars worth of Christmas gift cards from lowe's. It sure would have been nice to give some of those taxes to Ark City instead of Ponca. Think how much faster we would have paid off the street and Hospital taxes in Winfield was coming to our Lowe's.
Ok Mr. Nobody (new nickname for cowards that hide behind anonymous) obviously you misunderstand so I'll sssslllloooowwww it down once more. I am saying prove that the commission lies namely Dottie who has been accused of it in this blog. I'm saying prove that there were more people for Lowes than against (400 seems like an awful round, and mind you, made up number) I was at all of those meetings and never once were there 400 people. In fact the first two meetings had no Lowes supporters (other than maybe JJ, Hockenberry, and McDonald, no offense guys it's your opinion I respect that). I think what is actually bothering you is the fact that you are the problem sir (or mam- I think do to anonymous I shall here on call you he-she also) (hate to not be p.c.) and a coward. How exactly would Mel have lost business? A Lowes probably would benifit a man who owns a home repair business has been your entire arguement. So lets see He-she nobody hypocrite I'm having a very hard time following your logic. Bryant's main specialty has always been plumbing it makes up between 70 and 80% of my sales. Eaton is obviously electrical (for the slower ones in the group here), and Woods has lumber. Then you tend to leave out Westlake and Orcelens (misspelled but what else is new right). It seems to me sir-mam- dog- cat- whatever you are that you shop out of town due to the fact that you want to pout because a group that showed to the final meeting consisting largely in part of the men who would profit from the deal didn't get your goals accomplished. How about getting up and doing something yourself rather than sitting here and crying over spilt milk. I say re-elect the same people due to the fact that their opposition is all nameless and faceless. Once again prove me wrong he-she. Grow some cojones (or not forgot the pc thing for a moment) and stand behind you slander.
I couldn't care less how many people Lowe's would or would not have employed. All I want is to not have to drive 30 minutes to get some decent home repair items.
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New vote for most retarded (and selfish, uncaring, and honestly unpatriotic) thing ever posted on this blog. He-she says that the whole town can go jobless as long as it makes life more convenient to them. Awesome! He-she for commission 2009!
I think what is actually bothering you is the fact that you are the problem
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This is one of the best lines I have seen in some time.
Traveler Editor said...
"I think what is actually bothering you is the fact that you are the problem
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This is one of the best lines I have seen in some time.
January 5, 2009 6:25 AM
You actually understood some of Zach's ramblings? I managed to find a couple of sentences that were understandable, but they usually had something misspelled in them.
Hey Zachy poo, you are forgetting about the signatures on the petitions presented to, and then ignored by, the council. What was the exact count on the number of names on the petition? Oops, I forgot, they were conveniently "lost", so I couldn't tell you.
The reason we travel to Ponca is because we save money, and have a bigger selection. If you had ever had anything I needed when I shopped there, instead of having to leave empty handed, AND if you didn't have the prices jacked up so high to make up for the small number of items you sell, then I might shop there. I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
Everybody I know goes to Lowe's when they have a home improvement project. It's simply a matter of cost and availability.
While I would have loved to see a Lowes in this town, I have to say when I was looking for a washboard to send to Iraq to my soldier (it was requested) I couldn't find one anywhere, Orchelyns, Westlake, Lowes, or any where else. What I did was walk into Bryant hardware and ask for one and had it within 2 minutes. Thank you very much!!!The only alternative was online and it would have taken days to get it. Then I would have paid shipping on top of that. So thanks Zach for having stuff that no one else carries. One of the perks of having a store like this in town. Just a bit of advice Zach, there is no need to argue with some of these knuckle heads. So just don't fuel the fire, really. Most of the time this blog is internet fodder anyway. No one ever believes every thing on this blog!
Reminder of businesses that came in without tax insentiff: Walgreens, WB Meats, K and D Pharmacy, Zach Bryant Hardware. All after Lowes. Why couldn't they have done the same? The answer is they could have. Open your eyes he-she the commission said we will hear your plan just give no tiff. The developer wasn't down with that plan. The developer pulled out of Ark City not the other way around.
No I can't spell and I may ramble a bit but at least I don't contradict myself every time I write and I stand behind my convictions.
Yep! I second that,,third it...whichever it is..way cheaper!
I will not carry on though about not getting a Lowes..no point and maybe later it could happen.
@ January 4, 2009 3:37 PM
Good Post! Good Points!
But especially now I think it is more apparent that Government on all levels was abused by groups or people pushing their own agendas.
They traded the things that Gov.
should have been doing for the things they wanted today!
Do you think the city should have sponsored all those extra projects and let the water, streets, sewers etc. deteriorate?
The things that are critical to the future generations and growth?
Zach Bryant,
Please stop showing your ass on a public board. You make all of us business owners look bad. Be a man, not a spoiled child.
and the word is "incentives".
I like Zach's comments.
DOnt always agree, but I still like them
And he puts his name on his posts.
Gotta give him credit for that.
wait, does zach do credit?
Anonymous said...
Zach Bryant,
Please stop showing your ass on a public board. You make all of us business owners look bad. Be a man, not a spoiled child.
and the word is "incentives".
January 5, 2009 9:30 AM
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I was asked not long ago on this blog to keep vulgarity down, I ask the same of the others who seem to find me a child. Hypocracy at it's best right here. How many of you came to Bryant's to discuss things like this with my father and Alan? Did Alan not use humor and sarcasm to get his points across? Did my father (who is still alive for all those who claim he would be rolling in his grave) not stand firmly in his debates as many of you would come in to "poke the bear with a stick." I was raised very fortunate because I had two fathers both very different but both great men. Oddly enough I am just a combination of the two but if I stand up for my beliefs or use a little humor I am labeled a child. We may be a town of cowardly hypocrites but hey at least we are consistant right?
As for my spelling I have already stated that I can't spell that well. If that is your best arguements against me then please go back to previous blogs where I told many more things wrong with me. Try to mix it up a bit please. Same old insult is getting old and not disproving a thing that I say. At least I know how to spell my name.
I like Zach's comments.
DOnt always agree, but I still like them
And he puts his name on his posts.
Gotta give him credit for that.
wait, does zach do credit?
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Haha!!! See this is a good post. Inside joike that some of you may not understand but still. Thank you. And yes I do credit.
Traveler Editor said...
"I like Zach's comments.
DOnt always agree, but I still like them
And he puts his name on his posts.
Gotta give him credit for that.
wait, does zach do credit?"
Be careful, he may pull his advertising!
Man, if I had thought about running for city commission before reading this blog I would sure have to reconsider after reading it.
We need to find qualified people who will not allow a fiasco like the Lowe's issue to happen again. That is NOT to say that a Lowe's would be approved. It IS to say that it would have been seriously considered and all the options laid out before a decision was reached.
good blog topic, jj
Zach- sorry you are getting kicked so much because 1 big truth you have shared- at least you are willing to share your name and most cowards won't- I myself don't care to create an identity on here because I rarely care to comment. One thing I will say is that I have- until recently always loved and valued your family's store. I enjoyed and appreciated the role that your store and family play in our community (is that Elvis or Alan Bryant?) But what it was and what it now is though, are two very different things. You guys used to carry so many different household items and toys that you could only get out of town otherwise, and I always loved searching for a new special Christmas ornament each year with my children. I always enjoyed picking new and unusual gifts for family members, but you don't have any of that anymore I am sorry to say- its just a crappy hunting shop beside you. When you used to come into your store it could be counted on that one of the guys there would help you figure out what is was you were needing and get you on track- it was completely the perfect 'hometown hardware' store- that kind of service is dying- not just at your store either- customer service in general is getting the boot- now most times I choose to drive to Ponca or Wichita to shop- I have a better selection and my family can eat at a decent restaurant and again- better shopping choices. It is a shame that 'main street America' is dying- I go out of my way to support you guys when I can but recently you have very little to offer me- and Graves is heading down the same road with the items they've began to stock (just because they have the soda fountain doesn't mean they can lay up on everything else)- you can find the same junk at the dollar store- the uniqueness and specialty is falling to the wayside. Bryant's used to be one of the best stores this town had to offer- now it is just a shell (and less than 1/2) of its old self. If I need a single item or find myself in a pinch- I will still come to your store, but honestly, only if I don't have any other choices because you guys are so limited in your offerings I will usually still have to go to another store to get all the items I need on a job. I feel like with your honesty- you deserved some of mine.
I agree completely with the last post.
I appreciate your honesty and respect your feelings. Like you say small time business and downtown America are drying up. The interesting facts to this matter are this though. I spent everything I had in order to buy this store, so I have been running for a year with no funding really whatsoever. My sales equal how much new inventory I can bring in and to be quite honest most the time they show that I shouldn't bring in any. I know you have to spend money to make money but by the same token you have to have money to spend money. Looking back it wasn't a smart choice buying the store (the stress alone from the constant "Your dad always had it" or "Why the heck didn't we get a Lowes" has taken a huge toll on me and made me a far less friendly person) In retrospect though in the last year of Collectables we had two brides register (My dad owned it and my stepmother ran it), we had to lay off help on that side from lack of sales, and more money was spent in that store during after Christmas sales then all other times of the year combined. Still to this day local women run into that side and turn back appauled that I closed their favorite store (mind you they must not have shopped here in over a year). The part I don't get is that I still special order every day, my prices are set by the same suppliers as alot of the places you are going out of town, and the crappy hunting store has had better sales then this store and collectables combined. It must be filling a need that was there. I am truelly sorry and that is from my heart. I wish I could hire 20 men, I wish that I could carry 100 types of faucet, I wish that I could have kept collectables open or at least open it for December, alas I can't. I hate it, really I do. I know that I'm not the same store and that was not my goal at all when buying the place. All I can do is try to be better. If I don't make it then I guess I don't make it and I will hate that too. My father read this blog this morning and called asking me to move to California. He said that the closed mindedness shown here is exactly why he wants nothing to do with this town. That is really the saddest part to me. A man who called almost every one of you friends, always tried to turn the other cheek, and had enough love and pride in his city that he would ride his bike in any conditions to pick up litter from it's streets never has any intention of returning. I know Bryant's has changed but hasn't the whole town?
The gun store needs to stay open no matter what Zach decides to do. Sell the building to the gun store guys and let them have more room. An Archery section and a gunsmith would be nice additions.
Zach,
Be encouraged, we do not all have bad attitudes.
We've done business with Bryant's for years, and will continue to do so whenever the opportunity arises. The economy has played havoc with us all.
I'm so very sorry for the rude comments. When given lemons, you've chosen to make lemonade. I for one sure do miss the presence of your father. He had a great sense of pride. He was never, nor would he be now,satisfied with a drive down Summit Street as it is now on Sunday mornings. He was a caring person. We need a lot more like him. California got a person of 'greatness'.
Zach,
Hang in the bud. It's tough all over. I always was driving through town and see your Dad cleaning our streets. John, thanks.
Again, keep your chin up. Things will turn around. They have to. For all of our sakes. I understand the business aspect of buying/purchasing. Others may not.
I too choose to remain anonymous. I think it's best not to put my name on internet postings. Just my opinion only.
I meant "Hang in there bud."
Zack, I hope for your sake you go to California and have a great life. But I hope for Ark City you stay. I don't agree with you on most of the Lowes stuff but AC needs more young guys like you.
" I am sorry to say- its just a crappy hunting shop beside you.'
Well at least someone finally noticed there is a store next to Bryant's. It is however not a "Hunting" store. It is a GUN SHOP" they sell guns. Yes, real working, fully functioning firearms in downtown Arkansas City! And they do it legally, not like Sheldon's PAW SHOP is still doing. Chris and Darren have made several improvements, work a lot of hours to keep the store open and always have several customers in the building. Parking is harder to find down by Bryant's because of that. If Home National bank employees would park in their private HNB parking area, then there would be more parking in the back of Bryant's and the Gun Store. But, since the bank does not seem to care about parking to help support businesses, we should all park right smack dab in front of their building for hours on end.
Zack said the collectables were money losing, why would he keep it open, that makes no sense. At least now he is making money renting the building to the "Crappy Hunting Store". I suppose that if it were a gander Mountain, Cabela's or Bass Pro Shop you all might be more happy. Well I for one would not be, because that little crappy store beats the pants off of all those overpriced box stores in service, price and just pure friendliness.
A Very Satisfied Customer
Zach ,
Business is earned ,
i am sure daddy told you that .
now go to california and get under daddies wing , its warm there
CONGRATS ZACH, now your getting your ass ripped on the city commission blog.
Zach ,
Business is earned ,
i am sure daddy told you that .
now go to california and get under daddies wing , its warm there
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Unfortunatelly people read far too much into what I wrote. I have no intention of leaving town while my son is here. I don't stay out of spite or because of love for the city. I stay for love of my son, love of all the children I coach in various sports, and love for the skater punks you all cast aside. Funny on these grounds I think I am improving my business. In about 10-15 years these kids will be running this town and everyone else on this blog will be retirees on this blog with too much time on their hands. I feel I earn my business but in doing so I have made some enemies. I choose not to sell to those who ripped off my father, I threw a drunk man out of my store for trying to hook up gas on company time, I won't sell a person something that may kill them, like gas fittings that don't actually go together, I also don't pretend to be an expert if I am not (meaning if I don't know how to hook up your electricity I won't lie or take a guess), in the past I even would get upset when people trash talked me but I think if anything this blog is a sign of muturity in that aspect. I know I have been wrong to some people but I have also stopped many of them on the street or in resteraunts to appologize for my appauling words. So if I have wronged you I am sorry. Honest. But regardless I am here whether my business makes it or not. I will still do my best to be a man much like my uncle and father, and I will still continue to care about the youth of this town. I will still high five the commission, the police department, and the other organizations this town badmouths for trying to make a difference. And I'll do all of it without spell check.
Here is some advice for you Zach:
No you did not ask for it I just want to make an observation or 2.
Stop fighting in your store with customers, stop fighting with known people that never pay their bills. If you must confront them, then do it privately. I witnessed one of your outlandish attacks, and will never come back to do business with you. NO ONE deserves to be treated so poorly. You disgraced your family name. To collect a debt, use the court system, to have a person leave your property call the cops. Do not handle it yourself. It makes you look and seem like a foolish kid.
Good advice and I have been working on that. Now which customer do you refer to the pedophile dope fiend? Or the man I pulled aside privately numerous times just to be lied to over and over again. In both cases you are right I handled them poorly. But by the same token I want no pedophiles in my store. Abuse a child and you are a waste of air. I also sell many products used to make meth so lets take it as far as I don't want meth heads in my store either. Seems reasonable to me. I appologize that I got so angry on both those occasions. I would like to point out though that the liars father was with him that day. I still haven't recieved the money and his dad still shops with me.
I personally do not know much about the City Commission but I hope whoever decides to run will take a serious look at our budget. There are some appropriations for individual departments that just seem wonky to me.
This is a bit off the subject but it has been bugging me. I understand the motivation for downtown beautification but why is the junk store downtown allowed to have crap piled up to the ceiling and outside the store. Also, isn't that a fire hazard?
"Now which customer do you refer to the pedophile dope fiend? Or the man I pulled aside privately numerous times just to be lied to over and over again."
You have the right to refuse service to anyone. Please do not fight with them, just ask them to leave. If they wish to fight, scream, yell, whatever; call the police, they are only a block away.
Yes they will try to get under your skin, yes they will bad mouth you whatever the case. You have got to control your temper.
Regardless, you have done wonderful this year, the first 5 years are the hardest ones. Keep hanging on, keep asking customers what they would like you to carry. It is very hard to guess what the next customer will want. And just when you think you have it figured out, that is when you find a new need or want.
With patience and compassion you will succeed as long as you provide a service that is needed. Be careful posting on these public blogs, it lets many make very snap judgements about you, without really knowing or doing business with you.
You have to get customers in the door, but negatitive things being said by anonymous people may be believed by the masses.
You know as do I that the customers are lazy and will just go to the next person, if you cannot entice friendship and service to them.
Good Luck Zach
It goes on to say rejoice and be exceedingly glad. I read it often. More important than straining at the gnat while swallowing the camel is that the Word instructs us to pray for our friends, our neighbors AND our enemies.
It also clearly states that God Himself knows the truth and is truth and the we shall be judged without error so I shant engage in foundless accusation but simply pray as I was instructed to do.
I will leave the blaming and accusation etc up to the folks who do it best.
Here's an endorsement:
McDonald has led with integrity. He has attempted to communicate with his constituents, even on here.
He has also demonstrated good judgment to ignore when folks are more consumed with nurturing some conspiracy theory out of every issue and has allowed people to continue to argue uninformed opinions rather than fueling pointless debate.
He shows at the meetings. He demonstrates a willingness to learn. If he has an interest, he should be allowed to continue by a vote of the people.
We need two things. WE need direction and we need continuity on the Governing Body.
If he has the interest and his health allows, McDonald should run and he should get your vote!
" I understand the motivation for downtown beautification but why is the junk store downtown allowed to have crap piled up to the ceiling and outside the store. Also, isn't that a fire hazard?"
Same reason Sheldon is still in business, they band together as brothers (or brother and sister in this case) and threaten to hire lawyers and sue the city. Sheldon is still dealing as a pawn shop, just wit any paperwork hassel now, hell he is even buying and selling guns (at least his helpers are) without a license. No one cares, it is a blight, and just plain ugly. But as for the junk store, they own that part of the sidewalk going into the store. Help if she would just throw some of it away, but someone has to keep Bellew's auction company going. Sybrant is just as bad, storing all kinds of crap throughout the city. the owner of the building that has the Coffee break restrauant in it says he will not fix anything up and will let it fall to rubble before he does anything the city requires. Come on Tamara Niles, let sues these people to get some compliance. Come on Steve Archer, get these people on the right path.
Hey we have an endorsement from an ex-commissioner. Whoo-Hooo
It's nice to here something possitive about a commissioner. Thanks Charles, people forget how all the negative can effect the town. I urge more people to speak up when they think their community is doing a good job.
I too agree convicted pedophiles should not be in public stores- yet Country Mart hires them. If you are wondering who I mean you can look him up on the registered website www.accesskansas.org The name is Casey Gillock and he works in the deli section.
@ 4:39
Thanks for the information! I think perhaps the city should take a less hypocritical stand.
More specifically www.kansas.gov/kbi
Why in the world would anyone want to run for city commission is this town? After reading this blog its damn if you do and damn if you don't. And seriously after reading all the whining on complaining, name calling etc on these blogs why would anyone want to open any type of store in this town? I'd be scared to death.
Seriously people think about the image you are giving about our town. Sure it has issues but it really is NOT as bad as you are making it out to be.
Feel free to park all day in front of the Home National Bank. No two hour parking enforced anymore. Can't enforce it, unless they put the signs back up and they don't blend in with the "new" downtown beautification. Yet another plan that did not get thought out. Just keep carrying the water.
Well to the complainer about HNB parker, if you think you are punishing the employees, you would really be punishing the elderly and disabled that do not get around too good. Maybe you should try speaking to the bank manager if you are sure the employees are taking up all the spaces.
Use to work for HNB, and wasn't allowed to park in the "employee" parking lot by the Rec Center for 3 years, until someone had quit or retired. I was told I could park behind the library, along the "A" street side, or across from Ark City Tire. I was specifically told NOT to park along the alley side of the parking lot behind the library, because those spots were for downtown customers only. But, that was awhile ago. Management must not be teaching the new hires the importance of the customer anymore. Telling the Bank Manager won't get you anywhere. Talk to HR; she'll put the employees in their place. She also assigns the parking in the "employee" parking lot, which is usually half empty most of the time. Maybe she can assign some of the employees to the lot. You have to find parking for 60 employees somewhere.
Anonymous said...
Use to work for HNB, and wasn't allowed to park in the "employee" parking lot by the Rec Center for 3 years, until someone had quit or retired.
As fast as HNB is firing people there should be plenty of empty spots now
go jj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"As fast as HNB is firing people there should be plenty of empty spots now"
It been awhile, but a few years ago, they hired and fired about 100 people in a year. Pretty bad for a company with 22o employees.
This branch, here in Ark City, has 220 employees? Where they at?
Anonymous said...
Hey we have an endorsement from an ex-commissioner. Whoo-Hooo
This thread is old and so bulky no one will likely read this comment. The above text really speaks to a primary hindrance within our City.
Folks are ina time freeze. WE only speak of past.
I am a current citizen. I have no problem leaving past accomplishments and experiences where they belong.
My parents and mentors taught me that you simply cannot rest on past success or be bound by past failures. Apostle Paul encouraged us to forget the past andreach forth to the future by pressing (present tense) toward the high marks.
In other words, don't live in the past. Don't give up hope for the future. Most of all, make an effort today to cause something beyond mediocre to happen.
UMMMM....Gee thanks Chuck!
The Doctor is IN...5 cents please!
"This branch, here in Ark City, has 220 employees? Where they at?"
No, they only employ about 50-60 here. The majority are in Ponca City and Scottsdale, Arizona (where all the Brown family lives now). There are more branches in Arizona (along with a new 15000 sq ft corp office) than there are in Kansas. So much for be a Arkansas City home town bank; the bank isn't even a KS chartered bank anymore. It is chartered in Blackwell, OK for tax reasons.
Go figure. Not surprised.
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