Ive heard people on both sides say this election is the most important election ever, or that a lot of things are riding on this election, so it is crucial that (their candidate) wins. I guess its to stave off global warming, save the economy, and make football the national religion , er sport.
Im glad to see im not the only one who has not purchased the koolaid. I found this link that gives a top-10 list of things that are more important than the outcome of ths election. For president at least.
Here is the link
http://3oclockam.blogspot.com/2008/10/10-things-that-are-more-important-than.html
I thought maybe the readers of this blog could also come up with some ideas.
What are some things that are more important than the outcome of the presidential election?
We can make our own top-10 list
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Establishing morals and values in our children.
getting out of debt
keeping our civil liberties and contstitution in one piece
The only thing that makes this election more important is the fact that our next president will seat at least one, and possibly three Supreme Court judges. If Obama is president, and seats extreme left liberal judges, and why wouldn't he, then we can figure on our guns being rounded up by his new private homeland army that he plans to institute. And abortions will be available on every street corner, like a slurpie at 7-11.
Yea but the dems said the same thing when bush got elected. He was going to get to appoint so many supreme court justices, that abortion would be illegal and everyone would have a gun.
They all try to appoint centrist judges no matter what they promise
"They all try to appoint centrist judges no matter what they promise"
I beg to differ. as Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
A few months ago, the "right to bear arms" came before the Supreme Court and by ONE vote, was almost struck down.
Abortion. Yes, abortion. The slaying of an unborn child. Mr. Tiller's specialty. I said Mr. not Dr., cause that's how I feel. Doctors help. Doctors heal. not kill.
Imagine a pregnancy in the 8th month. Mother decides to end it. The "Dr." reaches into the womb, spins it around, pulls it out by it's feet. Delivering it breech. until the child is almost delivered, except for the head. Peirces the back of the skull, inserts a tube, sucks out the brain to collapse the skull and ensure it is "born" dead.
This is the dreaded partial birth abortion. I'll pass.
You asked. what is the most important thing.
Why don't you ask the parents of a fallen soldier whether or not this election is important?
Or how about the little girl whose dad has been deployed two or three times whether it's important?
Or how about the thousands of people who are homeless or jobless if this election is important?
Maybe you should ask a family who had to declare bankruptcy because the insurance company they've been paying for twenty years wouldn't cover a life saving medical treatment if this election is important?
Why don't you ask a single mother who has to work two damn jobs so her kids can eat whether this election is important to her?
@ 7:58
You are astoundingly ignorant. Do you think making abortion illegal will stop it? No woman makes that decision lightly and if/when a woman decides to have one it should be in a safe environment.
The republicans did not end abortion.
They barely put a dent in it.
They have no excuse either because they had the House, the Senate and the presidency.
And they had the opportunity to "load" the supreme court.
They went to bat and whiffed.
They didnt even go to bat really,.
So why should we believe them again?
Just saying i really dont think they are any better than the dems in this regard.
In fact they are worse because they are lying about wanting to do something about it.
Dont hand me the democrats were blocking them either. The republicans had the votes and could have voted down the blockage.
They just plain didnt do it.
The dems have had the votes to end bush's war in Iraq too.
They have not delivered either.
so, we have to try a third party:)
"You are astoundingly ignorant."
The name calling does not help the process. It surely does not help bring the other person over to hear what you have to say.
I think in this case the name calling was just. Did you not read what the person said? Get real... I swear some people are so blind and see only what they want to see... Go watch the Dow and stop trying to be the blog police.
I think in this case the name calling was just. Did you not read what the person said? Get real... I swear some people are so blind and see only what they want to see... Go watch the Dow and stop trying to be the blog police.
October 27, 2008 8:42 AM
Ok, so you're right.
Laws never really stop everything.
People will be people.
Killers will kill,
Liars will lie,
Haters will hate.
And some of you folks will be negative about everything.
And the amazing thing is you value your life, so why can't we all agree that 'life' is valuable.
The fact is, abortion is going to happen. But, do we have to be so gosh darn proud of it. I hope not.
Oh and by the way Byte, ask yourself, does money or lack of money tell you whether a baby should live or die. I am so very glad that you are not God. I'm telling you that some of you people are wearing a price tag on your sleeve that I 'won't' wear.
Establishing morals and values in our children.(taught by leadership)
Getting out of debt. (taught by our leadership)
Keeping our civil liberties and constitution in one piece (taught by our leadership)
All 3 are very important to me. Thanks for some responsible and well thought out answers. And just to be sure I'm understood, I'm saying all these things 'should be' taught by those in leadership positions.
I'm reminded of a phrase:
"depends on what is is" hahaha
have a good day
THese are important issues.
Im just saying that both sides - liberal and conservative - have shown that they are not interested in solving any of those problems.
They both need to be held accountable.
Abortion is important, but ... the republicans didnt do anything about it when they were in power, so how can they say its an important issue to them?
both sides could come together and work out a meaningful solution, but neither side is willing.
so im saying neither side deserves our support.
THese are important issues.
Im just saying that both sides - liberal and conservative - have shown that they are not interested in solving any of those problems.
They both need to be held accountable.
Abortion is important, but ... the republicans didnt do anything about it when they were in power, so how can they say its an important issue to them?
both sides could come together and work out a meaningful solution, but neither side is willing.
so im saying neither side deserves our support.
"Go watch the Dow and stop trying to be the blog police."
Again, this proves my point exactly
This is a public forum and thanks to jj, i can speak here as well as you.
BYTE DAILY:
Why don't you ask the parents of a fallen soldier whether or not this election is important
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Why is it then most of the soldiers support McCain over Obama? All the soldiers I can think of VOLUNTARILY signed up. It is beyond words to lose a soldier in war -- but they do it honorably and take an oath to do so.
BYTE DAILY
Or how about the little girl whose dad has been deployed two or three times whether it's important?
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Again -- our military is ALL VOLUNTEER. They explain this when they sign up. Yes it is sad for them to be away from their children --- but they consider it an HONOR to serve their country. Two of my brothers are proudly serving.
BYTE DAILY
Or how about the thousands of people who are homeless or jobless if this election is important?
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Are you saying there were not thousands of people who were homeless or jobless before 8 years ago? Or are you trying to say Obama is going to magically make all that go away? It's not going to happen. Step into reality, it happens when you stop drinking the Obama kool-aid...
BYTE DAILY
Maybe you should ask a family who had to declare bankruptcy because the insurance company they've been paying for twenty years wouldn't cover a life saving medical treatment if this election is important?
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So do you want government run health care? Why would you trust them to do that when they don't seem to do anything else right? And explain to me where the money for it is going to come from? Oh yeah, we are all going to spread the wealth. I'll work, so alot of other people don't have to. And why would they? What would be their incentive?
BYTE DAILY
Why don't you ask a single mother who has to work two damn jobs so her kids can eat whether this election is important to her?
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I bet the single mother who works two jobs to support her children so they can eat is proud to be taking care of family. I know I was. I would say no thanks to a handout. I bet she doesn't want someone else working and the government taking their money and giving it to her. Some people take pride in taking care of themselves. Maybe more of us should.
BYTE DAILY
You are astoundingly ignorant. Do you think making abortion illegal will stop it? No woman makes that decision lightly and if/when a woman decides to have one it should be in a safe environment.
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I don't think you speak for all women who have had abortions. I know girls that have had them that took it pretty lightly -- pretty much a form of birth control - and didn't phase them at all. In fact they had more than one. I'm not sure why the woman who chooses to have an abortion should have a safer environment than the baby thought it had. Nothing is more disgusting than partial birth abortion. And is pretty hard to defend. Just because someone doesn't share your views does not make them astoundingly ignorant. It makes you sound like a liberal elite. To some of us -- that sounds pretty ignorant too.
"You are astoundingly ignorant. Do you think making abortion illegal will stop it? No woman makes that decision lightly and if/when a woman decides to have one it should be in a safe environment."
I happen to think that women who use abortion as birth control are murderers, and you seems to think that it's her right. That doesn't make me astoundingly ignorant, it makes you astoundingly cruel.
And making guns illegal will not stop criminals from carrying them and using them on innocent, DEFENSELESS, law-abiding citizens who turned over their guns to keep from breaking the law.
I will stick to the facts. You stick to name calling, since your points are so weak.
There was someone in the Netherlands that was advocating allowing parents to euthanize children up to age two if they had birth defects.
It didnt get any acceptance, but ... if abortion is ok, how can you logically argue against it?
ByteDaily said:
You are astoundingly ignorant. Do you think making abortion illegal will stop it? No woman makes that decision lightly and if/when a woman decides to have one it should be in a safe environment.
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Your right - Robbing banks is illegal but it doesn't stop it. so maybe we should make it a safe environment for the bank robbers too.
There was someone in the Netherlands that was advocating allowing parents to euthanize children up to age two if they had birth defects.
It didnt get any acceptance, but ... if abortion is ok, how can you logically argue against it?
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I'm sure someday, somewhere that will be acceptable also. It's just a matter of time.
Establishing morals and values in our children should be taught by parents NOT leadership. You guys all talk about how the goverment is too involved, But yet half of you expect your goverment to take care of your kids. Now you want them to teach them one of the fundamentals of being a parent? wow!
Abortion will happen if it's legal or illegal. It was happening before it was legal and it will always be an option from here on out. It's sad that you guys can't respect a woman's right to choose. You would rather have a woman who was raped carry a child that she doesn't want and didn't plan for to term... Your theroy is that she can just give up the child, Why? So she can continue to be victimized. Put yourself or YOUR daughter in those shoes. God forbid your child was raped and got pregnant, Why would you ask that your daughter carry that child to term and give it away? What if your wife went out for a day of shopping and got raped and got pregnant? Would you want her to carry the child and have it, While you explain to everyone, " Ohh no, This isn't OUR child, My wife was raped and we are carrying the child and giving it away"... Sounds logical to me. I don't think anyone is taking the abortion subject lightly and I don't think anyone is PROUD, But the fact remains that it's a very tough decsion that someone will have to make. I know some will say that people use it for birth control, I find that hard to believe, But do realize that people will abuse it just like some are abusing drugs,alcohol,gambling. Anyways, It's MY right, I don't have to defend my right as an American.
I love being right-
There are many soliders who are against the war and want to come home and YOU KNOW THAT. So, while your pointing one side out, I'll just point that out as well. Not just soilders, But the AMERICAN people want that damn war to end, We have lost SO many people, Realize that we have lost more troops in Iraq ALONE than we lost on 9-11, I'm sure you know that Iraq never was a threat ( no WMD) AND that they weren't the ones that attacked us on 9-11. Also, I would like to say that not only have we paid dearly for this war with American lives, We have paid also with our money, Money that you guys are so keen on keeping in your pockets.. While we struggle to stay afloat, Iraq now has a surplus.
I thank your brothers for their service, May God protect them and bring them home very soon. But you can't deny the feeling of a child who hasn't seen their father in a year. I thank all those who are fighting for us, But I do sympathize with them and their families.. It has to be hard and that was the point that the poster was making- atleast that's what I took from it. There is a difference in a man knowning what he is getting into ( and even then.. how many young men have went over there and didn't expect THAT) and what a CHILD is feeling, Let's not over look that point...
So now Obama is to blame for homelessness? There will always be people who are homeless. Job rates are the lowest they have been in a long time. Do the research, It's going to take years and years to recover from the shit hole we're in, Anyone with an ounce of smarts knows that. I love how you jump on Obama- But let me remind you that your Great McCain is claiming he's the man for the job. The fact is, It's going to be a struggle for whoever gets in. But loved how you didn't include a rant on McCain or both parties... I can't take you seriously on that note.
I always love how you guys drudge up free speech, what about the free right to do as a I choose with my own body? That's like me telling you not to be a republican because it's a cruel cruel thing. I have some really strong anti- republican view, But I wouldn't dare say that to anyone, So don't tell me what to do with my body.
Anyways, It's MY right,
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Yes
and it was once your right to own slaves.
Establishing morals and values in our children should be taught by parents NOT leadership. You guys all talk about how the goverment is too involved, But yet half of you expect your goverment to take care of your kids. Now you want them to teach them one of the fundamentals of being a parent? wow! October 27, 2008 12:24 PM
Now, that's a 'odd'comment.
Parents want those in leadership to be accountable, you want parents to be accountable.
You can twist words all you want, but the fact is you want good strong leadership or you wouldn't be voting. ha
Now, having said that, we all seem to be arguing and yet is anyone listening, or reading ;)
We all have a right to our opinions and I think that what makes this election important to you might differ from mine. However, that being said, can we at least discuss it nicely.
I am not asking for the government to raise my children. The fact is, I'm not asking for the village to raise my children. But I am asking for those in leadership roles to set examples of honesty and integrity. One thing for sure, it is sorely lacking from both parties and at some point it must be addressed.
Republicans and Democrats, both need much prayer. And the issue of integrity needs to be re-taught to both sides. I'm just sayin'....
"People, can we all start to care about the value of humanity."
Thanks so much for your time,
A Friend of God
So, the above poster thinks that the only women getting abortions are women who have been raped? Get real. I will see if I can find statistics, but I'm betting it's a pretty low percentage.
I personally think that women who are raped, or who are in danger from the pregnancy, or have a baby with birth defects should be allowed to abort it if they choose to. It's the one's who use it as birth control that make me sick.
I think James hit it on the head when he talked about the people euthanizing their children. When is a baby not a life? after it leaves the womb? What if it's born a few days early, or late? Babies can be born a couple of months early and still survive, so how can anyone say they are not human beings? I just don't understand the cruelty. In the future, our culture will be look on as we look down at the barbarians.
p.s.
Thanks JJ. I really do see your point.
A Friend of God
REVOLUTION! It's due!
October 27, 2008 12:50 PM
I'm with you. Find the stats and give em to the ones who declare that 'it's not a baby, unless you want it'.
Abortion has become birthcontrol for the land of the free.
What Does The Bible Say About Abortion?
Absolutely nothing! The word "abortion" does not appear in any translation of the bible!
Out of more than 600 laws of Moses, none comments on abortion. One Mosaic law about miscarriage specifically contradicts the claim that the bible is antiabortion, clearly stating that miscarriage does not involve the death of a human being. If a woman has a miscarriage as the result of a fight, the man who caused it should be fined. If the woman dies, however, the culprit must be killed:
- Ex 21:22-25:
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth ...
The bible orders the death penalty for murder of a human being, but not for the expulsion of a fetus.
When Does Life Begin?
According to the bible, life begins at birth--when a baby draws its first breath. The bible defines life as "breath" in several significant passages, including the story of Adam's creation in Genesis 2:7, when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Jewish law traditionally considers that personhood begins at birth.
Desperate for a biblical basis for their beliefs, some antiabortionists cite obscure passages, usually metaphors or poetic phrasing, such as:
- Psalm 51:5:
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
This is sexist, but does nothing other than to invoke original sin. It says nothing about abortion.
The Commandments, Moses, Jesus and Paul ignored every chance to condemn abortion. If abortion was an important concern, why didn't the bible say so?
Yes, And I bet half of the people in this town would own a slave, You're all gun toting, religious conservatives with cowboy boots and John Rich blarring out of your 4x4's.... who yell 'GIT R DONE....I'm however not a racist or sexist.
Did that sound stupid? How about ill-informed? Rude? Callius? Jerkish? "Lumping you all in".... How about be judgmental?
Isn't God against that?
Oh that's right! We follow some rules, But not all.
We'll James, That's how stupid you just sounded when you lumped me in with owning slaves... How dare you link a civil rights issue with my own issue of having the right to choose.
Rock on greasy bear!
It's amazing how you devout so much time to the abortion topic but yet I've never heard you guys speak of genocide's in the world....
Or any other serious topics about the safety and welfare of kids. What about all the Iraqi kids who have been murdered by bombs that have been dropped on their homes? Or since we're talking about cruel things, How about what we did to Iraqi "prisoners"? How about the woman and KIDS who can't walk in Africa without getting raped....
REVOLUTION.... Huh? Going to take my right to voting away as well?
BYTE DAILY
Or how about the thousands of people who are homeless or jobless if this election is important?
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Are you saying there were not thousands of people who were homeless or jobless before 8 years ago? Or are you trying to say Obama is going to magically make all that go away? It's not going to happen. Step into reality, it happens when you stop drinking the Obama kool-aid...
That is what was said -- re-read it if you need to. I did not say anything about Obama causing the homeless. I was replying to why this election is SOOOO important. Byte Daily made it sound as if Obama would cure it all. And why not -- the media treats him like the Mesiah already.
I agree no one LIKES this war. I want it to be over too. I think we all do, but it is completely ALL volunteer. No arguments there. Enough said.
How dare you link a civil rights issue with my own issue of having the right to choose.
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You have the right to kill a baby that isnt born.. that could live with a different medical proceedure.
You once had a right to own slaves in this country
The point being .... legal doesnt make it right.
Or any other serious topics about the safety and welfare of kids. What about all the Iraqi kids who have been murdered by bombs that have been dropped on their homes? Or since we're talking about cruel things, How about what we did to Iraqi "prisoners"? How about the woman and KIDS who can't walk in Africa without getting raped....
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How about all the people Sadam killed including children. No one cared about bringing him to justice, but let's help Darfur. What's up with that, is it not a good 'POLITICAL' argument?
A friend of God? Do you think God would approve of you attacking people and being judgemental towards people? Speaking out both sides of your mouth only confuses people, Because they won't be able to understand what your saying....
REVOLUTION.... Huh? Going to take my right to voting away as well?
Yes, but only yours as an individual.
No one elses
Byte Daily made it sound as if Obama would cure it all.
Nope.. They never once said OBAMA. You assumed..
Did I assume wrong? Seriously you can't be serious. Have you seen the comments and her blog.
How about all the people Sadam killed including children
You don't want your own goverment sticking it's nose in your bussiness but you want to make sure that we're sticking our nose in every country that we can!!
I never said Sadam wasn't evil. I think that priority one was Bin Laden, He attacked us and I think we should be focused on him. And there, You proved my point, The only thing that you got from that was same ole' Sadam tatic.
Yes, but only yours as an individual.
No one elses
Ohh darn, We'll you won't be getting it without a fight. :)
no did you read what was posted:
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Or any other serious topics about the safety and welfare of kids. What about all the Iraqi kids who have been murdered by bombs that have been dropped on their homes? Or since we're talking about cruel things, How about what we did to Iraqi "prisoners"? How about the woman and KIDS who can't walk in Africa without getting raped....
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But no one likes to talk about Sadam or any actual good reason to get rid of him. That might actually justify something that Bush did and GOD KNOWS we can't do that.
I stand by my comment to @ 7:58. When you liken getting an abortion to getting a Slurpee at 7-11 you are being astoundingly ignorant.
I don't know too many 12 year old rape victims that are bragging about their abortion. As far as I can tell no rape victim has stood on a street corner with a baby killer sign - that would be the Christians.
We live in a world where women are raped every two minutes and insurance companies would rather cover Viagra then birth control. We continue to victimize the victims and then call them baby killers or murderers.
@ traveler editor
There are people who do not support life beginning at conception. If a fetus is unable to survive outside the womb - is it a living being? Furthermore if a woman does not have rights over her own body then how can you extend rights to a fetus that depends on the woman to survive? Let's take it even further, if a woman does not have rights over her own body then why is rape illegal?
I think the question you posed was illogical and neglectful to the argument. You can not equate a one year old child to that of a four week fetus.
Yes, But yet again.. We should be discussing why we haven't gotten Bin Laden? Why do we always sweep that under the rug... Explain to me why that is? We want to only discuss Sadam... But yet we don't want to dicuss the shady part of war, The bombs that killed kids or the fact that we did some shitty things over there. Why is it that we stick our noses in everything?
So.. Then, Can we charge a woman with murder for a miscarriage? Caffine is known to be harmful, So can we start arresting woman who drink a pop while pregnant?
Again you go to the extreme to make your argument. 12 year olds would not brag about their abortion, especially if they were raped. But there are alot of women who use it as birth control. What are the statistics?
I would never say what a woman could do with her body -- I'm just saying your arguments aren't logical to me. And to think people aren't using it as birth control is ridiculous. 1 out of 2 pregnancies in England ends in abortion -- I'm pretty sure the rape percentages aren't quite that high.
1 out of 2 pregnancies in England ends in abortion
Again- That's England, Can we stop sticking our noses into other countries, unless you live there, Why don't we focus on our own country.
A friend of God? Do you think God would approve of you attacking people and being judgemental towards people? Speaking out both sides of your mouth only confuses people, Because they won't be able to understand what your saying....
October 27, 2008 1:14 PM
My friend, I think you are looking for someone and something to disagree with. I have no beef with you.
Perhaps you misunderstand my post. So here is my statement:
I believe that life starts at the point of conception. Nothing can change that fact. I know of babies born as much as 5 months early, they are healthy adults today. A baby is a baby at conception.
Now as for me being judgemental, I think I'm gonna have to take a pass on that also, as you see I have not resorted to name calling or any of the such. I am asking that we can all be civil and at least honoring each persons right to their opinion.
Come on now.... enjoy your day.
As you say, the final Judge will judge.
Thank you... and be blessed!
And to think people aren't using it as birth control is ridiculous.
Yes, Because going out and buying a box of condoms is more affordable than and abortion... So they will always choose that latter.
One way to avoid so many abortions is to teach sex ed, Which your GOP pit puppy opposes... Which is in part why her daughter is pregnant. Discuss discuss discuss. Don't sweep it under the rug with the rest of the stuff!!
So in your mind, all abortions are rape victims or children with birth defects that parents "choose" not to keep. Is that your opinion?
"There was someone in the Netherlands that was advocating allowing parents to euthanize children up to age two if they had birth defects.
It didnt get any acceptance, but ... if abortion is ok, how can you logically argue against it?"
Well jj, that is a very compelling argument.
These feelings run deep on both sides.
This election will not change much, except who gets to pick the judges. That I see as the real clincher. Since, these days, the people's vote doesn't matter. We've relegated things to the judges. i.e., without fail, each time it's been brought to a vote, people ALWAYS vote AGAINST the homosexual agenda. So, what do the homosexuals do? They find a liberal judge to enact from the bench. Left to a vote of the people, the abortionists would be out of business.
The "Supreme Court" is not so supreme. No court or judge is supreme. Only people. ordinary men & women like the rest of us. Only 1 JUDGE is SUPREME.
Why does the Vote of the people not count anymore?
Again- That's England, Can we stop sticking our noses into other countries, unless you live there, Why don't we focus on our own country.
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Well, seeing how Obama is a "Citizen of the World" Shouldn't we be concerned about everyone? Do you even care what Iran or North Korea is doing? What about the suffering in Darfur? We should just look the other way on everything or just what you think is important? Hello, the world is bigger than just the good ole' USA. Get out and explore a little. And maybe care about others and not just yourself!
@ anonymous #2 12:24 .....Establishing morals and values in our children should be taught by parents NOT leadership.
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No one ever said one word about the government taking over the role of establishing morals and values in the kids. I was under the impression that the question was asking what WE think is more important than the election. In my book, that would be for parents to teach those values in them. The post doesn't necessarily pertain to government. Why don't you try reading the post a little more carefully next time.
I'm so thrilled you know how I feel and what's inside my head. It would be foolish to think that I feel all abortions are rape related. But the rape issue is vaild and should be discussed. You lacked to give your thoughts on if a rape victim has the right to choose? How about if the child could potentially kill the mother? I've known a lady who had a child growing inside of her and instead of terminating it she ended up having a child born with no arms, legs and it's heart outside of it's body and half of it's head gone. Do you think that was any easier for her? The baby of course died... But can you imagine having a child 'grow' inside of you knowning the condition of it and knowing that you will never be able to actually have a relationship with it? A child that you will bury before knowing it, And actually she knew she would be burying it before she even saw it. My thoughts on abortion, Yes I am a female and feel that I should have the right to choose. I think fighting this topic with a man is pointless, Because unfortunately God didn't give you the gift of carrying a child... I don't believe in using abortion's as a form of birth control and do believe that birth control should be used when your having sex and don't want a child.
QUOTE- "Establishing morals and values in our children.(taught by leadership)"
QUOTE-"All 3 are very important to me. Thanks for some responsible and well thought out answers. And just to be sure I'm understood, I'm saying all these things 'should be' taught by those in leadership positions."
Ummmmm- Maybe you should go read more carefully. She/he mad that very clear.
@ 3:33
This is the very argument I have when the right wing attempts to justify the Iraq war.
So yes, please tell me why we cherry pick our wars or our intervention?
So... Obama IS the real issue. Maybe you should stop obsessing with him and worry about whats going on around you, You know, Stop worrying about someone you don't even like. Do you get the shakes when his name comes up? If that's the case then STOP bringing him up... Everytime you go back to him. I'm starting to think you have some major issues that go far beyond abortion or anything like that... Looks like we have a John Wilkes Booth 2.0 in the his house... Your obsession is scary.
Actually I am a woman also-- I have 3 children. I also stated that I would never tell a woman what to do with her body, but the argument I keep hearing is we need abortion because of rape. I've never been in that situation so I would never to tell someone how to handle it. So I'm not. I'm just pointing out that isn't usually the case and to think that is the reason for most abortions is misinformed. Because that's all I keep hearing. I've had several friends in high school and after that chose to have an abortion because they did not use birth control. And I think more often that not, that is the case.
And I'm sorry, but I would rather if my baby was going to die, for it to die of natural causes, not because I killed it. Sometimes Dr's are wrong and I couldn't live with the thought that I did that. I'm not saying you have to believe that way -- I'm just stating the way I believe.
Looks like we have a John Wilkes Booth 2.0 in the his house... Your obsession is scary.
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That was a little unncessary. I'm not sure you can make a valid point without going too far can ya? Pretty much the way the FAR left cant either. That's ok, I don't hold it against you. They've programmed you that way, you obviously don't know any better.
@ 3:43
There are many conservatives who believe that sex education should not be taught, that birth control should not be used, that emergency contraception is akin to abortion and abortion is murder.
@ 3:58
You kinda react like a school bully calling names when you get defensive don't you? John Wilkes 2.0 -- is that all you got? Instead of making valid points you just try to divert the issues. Any school yard nursery ryhmes to go with it?
And if I don't like Obama's politics -- that's ok. I'm not trying to HIDE IT!! It wasn't a secret!
Those conservatives are just terrible people caring for those children like that -- you try to make it sound so bad!!! I'm not a radical on this issue, but really -- it makes you sound like one.
byte ME daily!!!
I love that any time I post on this blog I am attacked but as soon as someone else goes after you, you are being bullied.
Pot calling kettle.
@ 4:14
I am not radical, just realistic.
How do you solve this problem without education and prevention?
I happen to have a strong opinion, Truly sorry that you can't handle that, Glad that only you guys can have the strong opinions and I'm not allowed to speak mine. Also- You guys didn't seem to mind at all jumping on the byte daily blogger.... That was okay? Go back and read.. " Byte this byte that".. So... Who's the big bad blogger bully? I think we're seeing a pot calling the kettle black.. Again talking out both sides of the mouth. You guys have no problem dishing it, But you can't at all take it. Diverting the issues was my point, Everytime you run out of juice you go back on the Obama factor and I was just letting you know that it was getting old and on the line of an obsession and you know I'm right....
I love that any time I post on this blog I am attacked but as soon as someone else goes after you, you are being bullied.
Pot calling kettle.
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I don't recall calling anyone names or making outlandish statements about someone's mental health -- so excuse me for pointing that out. I think that is out of bounds. Sorry if you like to 'play' that way. I'm not into it.
Hahahaha @ byte- Took my line. Haha- EXACTLY!
Obviously we are all passionate about the issues -- but grow up and play nice. I didn't say byte this or that, so don't blame me.
byte ME daily!!!
Now that was SO grown up- You BULLY! I'm telling the teacher!
How do you solve this problem without education and prevention?
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I'm all for education and prevention. And I think parents should be the most responsible for it. Seriously, all conservatives don't think exactly alike.
I get sick of hearing about how it's the woman's body. The baby has it's own body. If it was one minute old, and the mother threw it in a trash can, the mother would go to jail.
Abortion as birth control is murder. Plain and simple.
@ 4:27
Ok, I apologize for calling 7:58 astoundingly ignorant. What I meant was the statement made by 7:58 was astoundingly ignorant.
@ 4:31
We probably agree more on this issue then you or I would care to admit.
How can a Christian vote for a candidate that advocates abortion? Just seems like a contradiction. Abortion=the murder of an unborn child. The most defenseless among us. I lend them my voice.
Christians stand for life.
Are there any Christians on here who plan to vote for a pro-abortion candidate? If so, how do you rationalize that? I do not understand how you can do it and still claim Christ as your Savior. (I'm not judging you, just asking a question. There is one JUDGE and I'm not Him) Do you think Jesus would endorse abortion? I notice even National level Pastors standing on the abortionists side. Voting for and publicly endorsing pro-abortion candidates. I'm the 1st to admit that there are many important issues in an election. But, this issues looms like a dark cloud over us. How many we as a nation have sent to eternity before they had a chance to draw a breath. It is a 21st century holocaust.
No attacks, please, only honest answers to an honest question.
This is a political board, with a religious question, but the two are forever connected. Any takers?
This is a political board, with a religious question, but the two are forever connected. Any takers?
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Does seem politics has taken over.
I see your argument and it makes sense.
But, the thing is, that argument was used to elect Bush TWICE.
and what most christians are failing to see is that we were sold a bill of goods. Bush did nothing.
So what did voting for a "pro-life" candidate get us?
War in Iraq
$4 a gallon gas
Huge profits for huge companies
Stock market in chaos
Abortion as rampant as ever.
That is my problem.
Ill admit to having voted for a pro life candidate - bush.
I just feel like I got taken.
To me, as a Christian, i am very angry about it.
The republicans have used Christianity long enough.
We put them in office and they did not deliver.
So ... Making your vote count by voting pro life, is a joke. Its a con, thats all.
McCain is not even pretending to be a pro life candidate. So at least he isnt as big of a hypocrite as Bush.
So you could ask how a Christian can vote for a pro-abortion candidate. I would ask, how can a Christian vote for a party that uses religion to buy votes but then turns its back on us once in office?
The old saying is true.
"fool me once, shame on you"
"Fool me twice, shame on me"
That's how i fell about the republicans.
I thought the saying went
"Fool me once.... shame on.... you. ........fool me can't get fooled again!
-Pres. Bush
Byte Daily,
It was an exaggeration jackass. Did you really think that I thought Obama was going to put abortion clinics in 7-11? Those people have enough to do just learning english and watching for shoplifters without having to take a coat hanger to your girlfriend every time she gets knocked up.
So how do you people feel about the morning after pill? Even if it is taken several hours after sex or after being raped? To those who say its abortion, how does that theory fly when their is no brain heartbeating or lungs breathing? Just curious....
What is the morning after pill about...
I think the morning after pill is a good thing. But I appose abortion in all but rape, danger to the mother, or birth defects.
Yeah, but some people say the morning after pill is the same as an abortion. I think I recall you have to take it within 36 hours after sex. Some pharmacys don't even carry it. I know of one in town that used to not, don't know if they do now.
OK, HERE ARE SOME STATISTICS I DUG UP THIS MORNING:
Here is the web address if you want to read the whole thing. I will summarize
in cases of rape or incest: 0.3%
in cases of risk to maternal health or life: 1%
in cases of fetal abnormality, 0.5%
About 98% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. This includes perhaps 30% for primarily economic reasons.
Sorry. Here is that address:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
I don't think there will ever be a candidate running for the White House that will take a hard stance on abortion because it will cost them too many votes. The majority of voters firmly believe that this issue belongs to women to decide what they need to do with their own body.
I personally have mixed feelings about the abortion issue and here are some of the reasons why:
Andrea Yates proudly displayed her "christian" beliefs but as a Christian, wife and mother she gave and took life. Should she have taken birth control or talked abortion? Who knows...
I think there may be as many boyfriends/husbands offing girlfriends/wives because they have concieved as there are women having abortions. Oddly enough, I just don't hear as much this as I do about abortion. Not sure why..
And does pro life include people like Terry Shrivo?
What about people on death row?
What about assisted sucide?
@ 7:46
Thank you for clarifying that an Obama presidency would not lead to a widespread abortion epidemic.
If you keep making my points for me I might make you an honorary jackass!
So what would happen if you had a President who outlawed abortion?
Do you really think abortion would just go away?
No, but a president giving an executive order would probably not be constitutional, and would be overturned.
BUT, what it would do, would force both sides to come together and work out a compromise.
There must be exceptions,
there are legitimate cases ..
You will always have drugs, should we make them legal?
Slavery still exists in the world, and maybe always will. should we bring it back?
That argument doesnt work.
It is a complicated issue.
I just want something to get worked out.
There needs to be at least limits of some kind.
"There needs to be at least limits of some kind."
Right. Now, 8 mos & 29 days into the pregnancy, the "Dr." can reach into the mother's womb, grab the little one by the feet and rip it out. Don't tell me the baby can't feel it. I know it can. Everyone knows. God have mercy on us for allowing it to continue. Especially the silent Christians.
---for the unborn
Ok, other than blogging about this issue what are you your self doing to improve this problem?
Are you holding the hand of the rape victim and telling them that you will be with them through this ordeal?
Have you started an organization to support women?
Are you out talking to teen's about waiting until marriage?
Are you out telling the boys that you have to step up to the plate and take responsibility for this unborn child and provide support for the mother and child? Or better yet, education to prevent?
Are you out talking to the scared expectant mothers that it will be ok, you will get through this and I will be here to hold your hand through this?
What are you doing to convience the expectant mother who knows that if she brings that child into the world she is going to be drained financially & emotionally for the rest of her life but it will be ok, she will get through it?
You want limits, what limits and what are you doing to get those limits? And remember, when you set limits, you draw a fine line which normally results in lawsuits by hungry lawyers.
Should the mothers get state assistance because they need the help to bring this child into the world? Maybe, but then that opens them up to being a target on a forum like this.
Please don't tell me that you can't do this alone because you expect these mothers to do this alone even though society says it takes a village to raise a child.
Respectfully, just an observer just asking alot questions and look forward to your response.
"Respectfully, just an observer just asking..."
sincere questions. questions that must be answered. honestly, i don't have all the answers. BUT, i am sure that murdering the innocent is NOT the answer. let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
poor people in the world. lots of them. should we not feed the hungry just because the need seems too great. i think we should do what we can, with the resources we have at hand. if enough of us would do that, the need would not seem so great.
"many hands make a small work".
the abortionists don't care about the emotional fallout these ladies have. they only want the money. after that they're on their own.
lastly, i will say that the silent Christians are the worst problem. they sit silently by and say nothing. just like the Christians in Germany did as Hitler did his slow & gradual onslaught on the Jews. now it's called holocaust. then, i imagine it was called "rights".
i could write more, but, i'll leave it at that.
oh, so you know, i'm doing more than you know.
Thank you for your response to my questions. I can tell through your blogs you are very passionate about this issue. I made a list of possible abortion reason's and I would like to disect each one by putting limits on them and reasons why they would or would not have limits:
1-Incest
2-Rape
3-conjoined twins
4-Single parent
5-poverty/lack of education/support
6-means of birth control
7-Tween
8-Drug addict
9-Aids
10-Spousal denial
11-Fetus wrong sex
12-Don't want stretch marks
13-bad genes
14-can't stand kids
@ 4:46
This was an awesome post, kudos!
Is this JUST a womans issue? What about the man's role in this? Why don't you discuss them for awhile?
vasectomy?
male birth contol pills?
Maybe there should be some regulations on the males so they don't around getting women pregnant.
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