I tend to be a bit mathematically challenged, so I used a calculator to figure out some things regarding the half cent sales tax.
i chose $3.50 per gallon as a price to use for calculations. Its about $3 now and was $4 recently, and no telling what it will be ... so thats why i picked that number.
One huge issue is the distance of the new hospital. Now two miles is mythical because it depends on where you start. But, if your car gets 20 miles per gallon and gas costs $3.50 a gallon, a four-mile round trip would cost about 70 cents in gas alone. That doesn't account for other fluids and wear on your vehicle.
If you drove to the Ponca City Medical Center, gas would cost about $9.80. Thats figuring 56 miles - 28 miles each way.
A trip to Wesley Medical Center in Wichita would cost $22.05 in gas.
If there are two people in the car, and you stop somewhere to eat, that will be another $12 or so. So just a trip to Wichita to the hospital would cost at least $36.
If you have to spend the night, costs go way up.
Here 's an interesting thing.
The per capita income in Arkansas City is $15,933. Which means that would be the average per person regardless of age.
If that mythical median income person spends half his income in Arkansas City and pays sales tax on that in town .. that would be about $40 per year. Roughly the cost of one trip to Wichita to Wesley Medical Center.
Now add to that the fact that a lot of non-residents will be paying the tax too.
The cost just is not that great.
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"Here 's an interesting thing.
The per capita income in Arkansas City is $15,933."
Wow! So, Arkansas Citians by and large live below he poverty level? ouch.
Wow! So, Arkansas Citians by and large live below he poverty level? ouch.
There is a high percentage below the poverty level, something like 20 percent.
BUT, this per capita income is the average per person regardless of age. A one-year old would be included so this number is not a good measure of the number below the poverty level.
You left out Winfield, which is where many people go now.
I'm not as concerned about the cost of gasoline as something I saw on another thread.
There was an explanation that bringing in a surgeon was generating a additional $3 million per year and the doctors couldn't get financing to build a bigger facility because it didn't have a long enough track record of this profit, so Ark City was going to finance it.
Is it just about money, instead of care?
How many surgeries did that surgeon do? What was the cost per surgery? How much does that surgeon make from all of that?
Once they start looking at the hospital as a profit center for the doctors instead of a care facility for the residents, then public monies should not be used.
Has anyone noticed that there is a stock market crash? It' probably a good idea to see what tomorrow brings before committing millions to a new hospital.
For all we know, we could be looking at another depression.
Time to take a breath, look around and not waste money.
Is it just about money, instead of care?
No, but the money is a reality.
Arkansas City "owns" the hospital, and has for decades.
I really dont think we should all just hide and not do anything until the banking industry is done raping the american economy.
There is serious criminal activity going on at the national level, being trumpted as a financial crisis.
The more we buy into the crisis as reality, the more we will be taken and the more they will be able to steal.
This is a good time to finance something because interest rates are very low.
Its also a good time to buy stocks that are way down ...
"They have studied this thing for 12 years"
Yes, but pretty much always under the context that it would be built on the Patterson site. It is right on the hospital's website.
"Once the decision had been made to move forward with the replacement facility, it had to be determined where the facility would be constructed. Several locations were considered until December 2001, when Don
and Wilda Patterson donated 168 acres of farm ground for the project."
So, they haven't been studying whether to build on that site for 12 years. In 2001, they were offered the property and it sounds like that location was pretty much a done deal at that point.
What about the environmental impacts of building on a greenfield property vs. infill was that done?
Also, part of this plan was put into place when the plan was to partner with CoVista, which was a for-profit venture. Was the community really put first under that plan or the bottom line?
Frankly, this type of half hazzard land development just seems completely lacking in foresight. You are making assumptions about the conditions today not the conditions 10 years from today.
Just ask the U.S. auto industry how well that plan has worked out for them.
The community should have been involved in the planning process not just "sold" or "forced" the location after it was chosen.
And don't tell me we have known about the location since 2001 and there wasn't any uproar at that time. We were never given a choice (which is incredibly unfortunate) but before they weren't relying on our money to help fund the project. If they expect public money then they should expect public input.
If only they had heeded this advice-
"Citizen participation can be time-consuming, frustrating and expensive, but encouraging community and stakeholder collaboration can lead to creative, speedy resolution of development issues and greater community understanding of the importance of good planning and investment."
I really dont understand why the location is such a big deal.
If they had listed 10 options and let everyone vote on that ... would it be any different?
would people really support it more?
Or would they just find some other reason to object?
what about the color of the mortar,
the building material used for internal walls?
We really need a change of mindset in arkansas city.
The obstructionists have been in control too long?
When i first came to arkansas city, there was something called a "world festival."
This thing lated 3 years with horrible attendance.
The festival itself was wonderful.. with music from many parts of the world.
Why did no one support it?
If we want the city to get better, we are going to have to support things.
Ive decided that I support the hospital, and the sales tax.
I dont care where it is ... they have shown that they have done research, and this is where they want it to be.
I just dont see the problem.
I don't really care how you "crunch" your numbers JJ, I won't vote for it. Let them stay where they are at and make do. If they can't then Winfield is not that far to drive. I am not going to risk losing my home to the darn mortgage company or the county for failing to pay over due tax just because YOU and those on the hospital wagon insist that money be spent that we can't afford. When I don't have the money to do something I just cut back and don't do it. I improvise. That is what needs to be done...and as far as the darn story the travler did in the paper about all of the polititions wanting the hospital to be built. I guess now the masses of people need to let them know what "we the people" want right now. And right now it isn't more tax! When the paper dries up and you are on unemployment we will see how important it is for you! Have a nice day!
My aunt tells me there is a book floating around which explains the depression and mentality of our area. She says it is about the Osage Indians and why we are still suffering their fate. I need to get the name. Maybe there is something to it.
"When I first came to Arkansas City, there was something called a "world festival."... "horrible attendance."
"Why did no one support it?"
It was a grant that AC took to prove AC weren't racist and to welcome the hispanics to the area. Guess we proved that, you betcha.
The acts were pitiful. Grandmothers from Parsons dressed up like middle eastern "belly dancers" and clodhopping cowboys in farm boots dancing the Palenque in the "Ballet Folklorico de Topeka"
I had to be there, so I was, but they were the most God-awful acts I've ever seen.
I was checking my watch to see when it was over about every 5 minutes.
The funny thing is that by presenting Kansans dressed up and pretending to be furriners, dancing around and putting on (really) fake accents it just shows how ignorantly insensitive we are to foreign cultures. If it were viewed by someone from Mexico or the middle east, it would seem to them to be insulting.
Now, I know that there are many of you who will disagree about this, but you should think about it a little bit before you answer.
Why do you think Kuhn didn't see a problem with his act? Same thing. Ignorant. Insensitive.
Whole town is.
"A one-year old would be included so this number is not a good measure of the number below the poverty level."
It "is" a good measure of poverty level. Per capita income is a basis of determining poverty and it includes one year olds in Des Moines and Lakeland, just like it does in Ark City.
It is interesting to see that S&P shows that 45% of the high school students are economically disadvantaged.
Also, although the USD 470 is giving out stellar press releases (again), ACHS came in in the bottom third in the state for academic performance again this year. Only a 55% math proficiency.
JJ. Is that news? Or just the press release about the grade schools?
You guys need to dig deeper.
"I really dont understand why the location is such a big deal." "would it be any different?
would people really support it more?"
It is a big deal because it basically setting the direction for the city in terms of growth and development. There is a much larger issue here than just a new hospital. YES, I would support a sales tax and I do think the hospital needs upgrading but I don't support the new location.
I am not an obstructionist in any sense of the word, in fact, I am very pro "good, smart development".
Seriously, is it that hard to realize that there are better, more efficient ways to develop land? Why, would you settle when there are better options for the community as a whole?
It is about a vision for Ark City as a whole not just about the hospital. Ark City lacks vision ..... unfortunately, plopping a hospital in the middle of a farmfield is the best economic development plan that the city can produce.
Numerous studies have been done showing that infill development is better in terms of taxes and infrastructure in the long run than sprawling, greenfield devlopment.
"World Fest". Want to know why it died? What a joke. It was a HORRIBLE waste of Arkansas City $$.
Taxpayer funded from Arkansas City coffers. (I think it had a grant of some sort) But, the City always ended up adding $$ in labor, materials, or just plain cash. LOTS. Just ask around for some off the record thoughts. The City was kind of forced into supporting it. (MY OPINION ONLY) It just plain died. Things that are not good have a way of doing that.
James, I'm not just saying this, but the Music Festival is much better. Professional, fun, funded by the Community by donations. I don't think the Music Festival will go the way of "World Fest".
"World Fest". Want to know why it died? What a joke. It was a HORRIBLE waste of Arkansas City $$.
Taxpayer funded from Arkansas City coffers. (I think it had a grant of some sort) But, the City always ended up adding $$ in labor, materials, or just plain cash. LOTS. Just ask around for some off the record thoughts. The City was kind of forced into supporting it. (MY OPINION ONLY) It just plain died. Things that are not good have a way of doing that.
You are close, the "Festival", as I recall was tied into the "Bull Fights" aka family reunion, for a city commissioner. There is an old saying in Ark City: "Uptown Heroes", whose motto is "my way or the highway". Naysayer, you bet. I know an average citizen who ran for city commissioner years ago and was interviewed by the Traveler [not the current gang] but they knew nothing of the communities history and that hasn't changed. Point you ought to be the voice of the community, but obviously you are not.
I only saw the last world festival.
They had african dancers and drummrs, who were great.
They had mexican dancers who were great.
But there was no crows there at all, there were like 5 people in te audience.
I dont know .... just seemed strange at the time.
Once was enough. They'd seen it before.
I dont know .... just seemed strange at the time.
theres more to this "world fest" than can be told on this forum. Ask around. you'll find no shortage of people to tell you.
The part that bothered me most was not that they put it on. sure, power to them.
What bothered me was how many Thousands (no, tens of thousands)
of City dollars was wasted on that foolishness. No one really was able to stop it because...well...just because.
It happens all over government. Local to National. Wasteful spending. Then people wonder why we have budget shortfalls....sheesh!! It's depressing.
ill ask around if i get around to it.
just in case anyone wondered,
no city money was spent on our music festival.
did use the city stage, some tables and port a poties that belong to the city, but thats all we got.
:)
I think the people need to hold their government more accountable on government. It starts right here at home.
Anyone notice that the politicians are all campaigning on false promises of lowering your taxes while locals are asking you to pay more because no one budgeted for maintenance and repairs for current infostructure?
Is there no one in this town with the brains to lead us efficiently into a safe and stable future? Are voters even paying attention? What about our country? We need a genious to get us out of this mess. No, wait. We need a genious with common sense and a heart.
no city money was spent on our music festival.
We know, James. Thank you for all your hard work & effort to help out around town.
Anybody can & should be able to use a bit of city stuff, since it is a community outreach.
but, that other thing. that was different.
"Is there no one in this town with the brains to lead us efficiently into a safe and stable future?"
Good question.
Probably. But, the really good and experienced minds don't want the headache of messing with it. Lots of people around with plenty of years of experience running businesses & life in general. (and, as you say "have a heart") Getting them to come forward...well, good luck with that. Consider this: Lots of hours of work, (in addition to your regular job) people calling you at home all hours. Being called names, ridiculed, fussed at, cussed at. Coming up with good, solid leadership to lead a city into the future. It's all on your shoulders. All for NO pay to boot. Correction, I think it's about $75.00 or some small amount. It takes a person who really has a desire to help. Plus, a person who can lead, not just manitain or manage, but lead.
I think it's about $75.00 or some small amount.
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Thats about right. Im not sure if thats per meeting or per month, but either way, it isnt much.
We do need stronger leaders I think. But, those stronger leaders will get a lot of opposition, so it will take someone who can handle that as well.
One point about budgeting. The feds and state make cuts, and that puts more on the locals. Its just a shell game to some degree.
They have budgeted for road maintenance for years. They spend a lot on that every year.
But to keep from taising taxes, they put things off, and then they get in a mess.
No easy task running a small town government.
But we still need to keep our eyes on them :)
Back to the hospital. Having a vision in this town has never been a good thing. There are people that always want to judge and criticize whether it be the River Festival or a hospital.
We need a hospital and most would agree. Many complain that it is too far north because that is the direction the city might grow in. Okay, in my book that means that we are growing and that is good. We are just too short sighted to think that growth in any direction will enhance all of us. The high school was too far north 30 years ago and yet the town survived.
We have to think of 30 years from now and how great we could be with GROWTH and not be so afraid to change. We have good things and good people here so let those that have studied and I mean really studied this issues speak. We can not all be experts on every issue. Much much work has been done concerning this plan AND other ideas and this has been the site chosen. We can beat the location thing to death or we can look ahead. I choose to look ahead.
This is a good time to finance something because interest rates are very low.
Its also a good time to buy stocks that are way down ...
They are down but the loans are harder to get. A car dealer in Wichita Ks said if you could qailify for a Odown loan last year that same person would be out of luck the rest of this yaer and most of next year also.
The trickle down effect is and wiil be faster on those with low or below poverty incomes which = rape of the least of those able to pay more.
And I get so tired of the talk about you will not have to go to Wichita.. Be for real most people go to doctors up there because they are refered by the local doctors here. And even doctors in Wichita send people to bigger hospital and that my friend (McCain) is a fact so stop with the not having to go out of town for treatment, just the same they wil be trying to get people from smaller communities around here to stop at the new hospital with the same old doctors
So come up with a better reason than saving gas money, besides they will still charge you to transfer by bus or chooper to wichita for most life saving medical needs.
Hekk when my dad was in the hospital years ago they some of the nurses that are still there could not even take time to learn from a family member on how he did his dialasis. It was more important to them to exchage non-pertanant info (non jog related)than to lerarn a simple procedure on how to help keep a mans kidney going.
So a new hospital I believe will not change the attitudes when it comes to TOP QAULITY CARE, so why milk the cow if you can not drink the MILK
We really need a change of mindset in arkansas city.
The obstructionists have been in control too long?
What we really need is for some one to treat us the people they count on with some respect, not with the mindset ( Idon't give a damn about public comment or bullship). Then maybe we will feel like we matter and are appreciated for the people we are
"A one-year old would be included so this number is not a good measure of the number below the poverty level."
Why not the USD 470 uses kids all the time to get money from the state "RIGHT"
A more accurate figure would be the "per capita" figure given by University of Missouri Studies of Rural Populations.
This study uses only information from the head of households. Children and teens are not included in the figures. For the year of 2007, the study found on average, a household in Cowley county earns $27,312.34
In the study Cowley ranked in the upper 30% of "rural" mid-west counties in household income.
By "rural" the county cannot contain a large city population (ie Sedgwick/Wichita) and the county has to have a 37% agriculture based economy.
Midwest states in the studt were Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska Iowa, Arkansas and the Dakotas
I agree with James on the hospital. We need it and won't feel much of a pinch from the small raise in sales tax. We have good minds on the hospital board, lets let them do their job!
And, what's wrong with the city growing North? The hospital should draw patients from Winfield and all the small communities in the County. If we have an updated hospital facility, aren't we more apt to attract better doctors? Won't it be better able to handle more serious illnesses and injuries, so fewer people will have to be taken to Wichita?
I like James' positive attitude! We need MORE of positive around here!!
Speaking of positive, the River of Life concert was fantastic. Great job, James. Thank you for working so hard to bring something good to Ark City.
I guess most of the people against the hospital think that going to Wichita for a hospital stay or check up is fine. They forget about the people that have to drive up to see you, stay with you or just take you. My mother was in the hospital for an extended stay for something that could have been treated here had we had the facility. Every morning I got up early, drove to see her and then drove back to work and then repeated the drive at night. For two nights I stayed in a hotel near the hospital because of weather issues and for two more on a recliner in the hospital.
If she had been HERE I could have worked longer (four hours a day were spent driving) and I would have saved money in gas, lodging and time and in my world time at work is worth a few dollars.
Winfield could not treat her. They are not allowed to keep patients for an extended stay.
People get on this board and don't know the reality of having a sick family member or of being a very sick individual needing care and family support. You haven't driven people to Wichita several times a week for recheck visits or been a senior who has to ask a family member to take time off of work to get you treated.
This town has potential but some people just don't want to see it. They want to argue over petty past issues or personal preferences and refuse to really see what is good for the communitiy and the citizens.
Reality is that our wages here may be low but reality is that with the mindset of no change is good we will stay low. We have to start believing in ourselves. We can make this a better community and an progressive one. Do we want to be "poor old Ark City" for eternity or do we want to start becoming that awesome town Ark City. We have tried that poor old Ark City thing and it just isn't working. Let's work at becoming awesome and taking some pride in what we can become.
We have to start believing in ourselves. We can make this a better community and an progressive one.
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amen
best post ive seen in days
yeah. from the heart. thx
Ok once again I would like to express an apology to the community. Everyone is entitled to an oppinion whether it regards me, my business, or this town matters not. It is wrong of me to get so angry when this is the case. Many of you have been right. I have been a very angry young man and for this I am truelly sorry. This being said I don't believe I'm the only one who acts this way. I think our whole community needs to take a time out, listen to each other, and accept that we aren't going to agree on everything. In my oppinion we hurt ourselves far more with the bickering and name calling then the original offenses. Let's take Mel Kuhn for example. An untastefull joke leads to a community crisis. Never mind that it happened in Winfield, never mind that the people voted the tasteless joke as the winner, never mind that many of us have laughed at movies such as "Blazing Saddles" which has far more tasteless jokes in it. This joke got alot of people upset which caused backlash which in turn caused a nationally sindicated radio show to speak of our quaint community and the fact that we are a bunch of crazy rednecks. The image I know I want for my town. The question is did Mel's joke cause this or the fact that people couldn't tollerate something they didn't agree with? I really don't have the answer to that but it's fun to think about. So the hospital is now up and here is what I want to ask from our community; forgiveness. If you feel insulted or hurt by someone elses opinion in this debate just try to understand that they may be equally hurt by yours. I am the kid with all the piercings and tattoos, cartoons on his shirt, loud music rolling from his van. I must be naturally stupid right? I must know nothing about hardware regardless of my 28 years experience growing up in this store. See these are some opinions that I have heard about me as recentlly as the last week. I'm finding now that if I spend all my time angry about oppinions I don't agree with then I just wind up spending all my time angry. So I admit I am dumb about the whole hospital issue but I do enjoy reading all of your thoughts and oppinions on it. Just everyone remember it's easy to tollerate different ideas. Even the stupid tattooed hardware kid can do it.
Everyone does need to be able to express their opinion but when it comes to the good of the community we all have to look at what is going to work not just for ourselves but for the good of the whole. We live in a society that expects immediate gratification and centers on self and not on the whole. In the past survival was possible only if people worked together. Our current society screams about "its my right" and we look only at today. If we start working together for tomorrow then I think things will get better.
We don't have to agree but we do have to respect and listen and then come to a consensus. We also have to understand that we can't always have everything that we want without some sacrifice.
Good posts.
a little kindness might work wonders :)
An excellent post Zach.
Be blessed in this life
"In the past survival was possible only if people worked together."
Thanks. Unfortunately, it may come to be that again. We may actually come to realize that we need each other.
Thanks Zach. Your letter is good. No, I don't think you're stupid. Never thought that.
I live here, I want what's best.
Amen, ark citian! Well said!
Just everyone remember it's easy to tollerate different ideas. Even the stupid tattooed hardware kid can do it.
For being a so called "stupid kid" you have posted one of the most mature and meaningful posts ever seen on this blog.
If more people had your attitude AC would once again be a thriving community.
And you may call yourself "dumb" or "stupid" but don't let yourself believe that. You have shown more intelligence than many in this city.
Zach, why not take some of that crap out of your face and be a respectable business owner instead of coming here and apologizing for getting angry at people who can't accept business owners with crap in their face.
Everybody grows up and outgrows things like that. It's about time for you to make the transition from rebellious kid into an adult business owner. Maybe you wouldn't get hassled so much, AND as a bonus, maybe you'd get more business.
just my opinion.
And I thank you for it. The thing is I don't care if close minded people don't want to shop in my business. I was writing nothing about increasing business. True enough right now business is low but this is true to the whole economy. Right now this rebelious kid with crap in his face has that in common with every business owner in the United State. You see black, white, brown, or green, crap in your eye, ear, nipple, etc, gay, straight, and all those others too weird for me to understand we all bleed red blood, we all know love and we all know pain. Until more people can understand that all they will see is a kid with crap in his face. And honestly that is fine. I don't hold it against you and I don't cry because of it. Respectable businessman is an interesting term because Grandpa always taught me that respect had to be earned it wasn't just given. Kurt Cobain once said "I'd rather be hated for what I am than loved for what I am not," and where I don't agree with most of his life decisions (namely the one not to live) I do find these to be pretty good words to live by. I write alot of hurtfull words about myself because Alan taught me when I make fun of myself it eliminates the chance for others to do it. Like Alan just because I say it doesn't mean I believe it. I know I live for myself every day by striving to be a better person and make the world a better place for my son. I just do it while reading a Spiderman comis. If that makes me immature and a rebellious kid then so be it I don't want to grow up.
Just a few random thoughts.
Hang in there, I'm a Matrix person myself.
Enjoy life, enjoy your family, and believe for the best.
I pray that God prosper you and your business. (I'm in there from time to time)
SBF
I will never understand the need for attacks on any individual for the way the look, the place they live, the money they make or don't make, the car they drive, etc.
This community judges so harshly and feels it is their right to do so. Are we so free of flaws in our own appearances, our own lives, etc that we can judge each on outward appearances.
If you don't approve of Zach or anyone else that is your business but it is also his business to dress as he does or as a banker or as a lawyer does. Would putting a suit on Zach or tatoos on a banker change the person or just your perception of the person? What really matters...how the person looks or who the person is?
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"Zach, why not take some of that crap out of your face and be a respectable business owner instead of coming here and apologizing for getting angry at people who can't accept business owners with crap in their face."
unnecessary, uncalled for. SURELY you could choose your words better if you want to make a point.
. The only thing I don't understand is how a blog about a Hospital changed into about Zach.
The town needs to do something. Moving the Hospital will make it harder to get to. Will cost more money to run power and waterlines. It will need new roads and landscaping. There is lots of large spaces of land within the city that already have these things. Why may I ask can't we build it somewhere with in walking distance.
As a child I was very sick. I spent more then a month in Memorial Hospital. During that time I had friends walk over from school to see me everyday. They would go to the park and play. I could watch them out my window. These small things helped me stay up to date with school. It also helped me want to get better. Moving the hospital so far away from central Ark City will end that.
As for downtown, think about what you can buy to support your local businesses rather then run to Wal-Mart. You would be surprised how much they will gain. I suggest everyone go rent "Wal-Mart the High Price of Falling Prices" before you go there for you groceries.
Are you serious...no new hospital means your friends and family will camp in another town. That would be convenient?
It is what this board is about. A new hospital and working for the good of the community. We can agree to disagree but look at the entire issue and the future.
A hospital a couple of miles from the current location is not a big deal but driving to another community still means no friends would be walking to see you or playing in the park. It also means that your family would not be working while they stayed with you or drove to see you. Look at the whole picture and forget the way it was but the way it could be...pro or con. Are you willing to ask your family to drive you to Wichita for treatment. Are you willing to try to figure out how to drive yourself when you shouldn't even be driving or when your eyesight is too poor to allow driving. Think about the future and what is good for this town.
We have to work together and get a vision of what we can be. What are you choosing...stay as we are and how will that work for you in a few years??
One thing to look at is moving the Burford North. What negative and possitive effects it had. I know they are two completely different things but they may have similar impacts.
When the restored theater opens it will enhance downtown and we can have the best of all worlds. A new theater and a great venue for events. It took a vision and some hard work but it is coming true. Theater attendance is also up and brings us newer movie releases.
Did anyone else notice the public notice in Monday's paper?
The street tax is a seperate ballot question.
So that means there will be 2 tax questions on the ballot?
I am 100% for the new Hospital. I just think finding a central location for it would serve the community more.
Yes there are two questions. What kind of town will we live in 20 years from now? "Poor old Ark city" or a place we can call home with pride. Our choice!
A better location was researched extensively and if you get a chance catch a hospital presentation. I agreed until I listened to what they said and the reasons. This is the best.
Yes, two separate tax questions.
the hospital and the streets.
i think moving the theater to strother is a similar issue. not sure what the effects have been really ?
Yes, two separate tax questions.
the hospital and the streets.
i think moving the theater to strother is a similar issue. not sure what the effects have been really ?
I agree that moving the movie theater was not a bad thing unless you are 13 and now can't hide out downtown when you were supposed to be at a movie. Also anxious to see what the renovated Burford will do for the downtown. It looks to be awesome for all of us including the businesses downtown.
Two issues, two decisions. A turning point or another issue to slip backwards.
Tha New Burford can be great if we use it to book real bands. Hold real Plays and use it to the advantage. It will also help if Graves and the other food veunes stay open later for patrons to use and spend money downtown.
I did not mean to imply that the new Burford project isn't a wonderful thing. It is. I constantly go in to see what progress has been made and am very happy with the Denton Art center being in the downtown. I feel this can attract some of the kids back to the downtown area. In my opinion kids are customers too and help this city grow and thrive. I think the Burford originally moving took away something from our beautiful downtown that makes any downtown that much brighter, the people. This is my fear with the hospital. Move it North and my fear is that we lose some of the business it pulls in. I'm not saying there aren't advantages that make it far better North of town, I honestly don't know. I should go to a meeting to become better informed. Any how kudos to the Burford project and Denton Art center on their hard work to draw people downtown.
RANDOLPH SCOTT!!!!!
Zach Bryant is the new blood we need in this town. He has a vision that is lacking among our current city commission.
I think Zach would make a great addition to our city goverment....
Zach Bryant for City Commission.
Honestly could he be any worse than the current commission....
Zach bryant for president.
zach bryant for vice press.
Zach Bryant is the new blood we need in this town. He has a vision that is lacking among our current city commission.
now that is a truly interesting idea. might be what we need to kick start this town :)
That damn Burford project is really pushing the limits...how do they get to use city dump trucks? My taxes pay for that fuel. And the water draining from the roof goes down into the park between it and the chamber of commerce. It floods everything, you can not even use the steps for the waterfall coming down them. When I fall this winter and break a hip on the ice, I promise to sue the hell out of the city and arts council and plumber that installed it. This has been complained about and now to top it off I will have to travel extra miles just to get to a hospital. This is a bunch of crap.
Self-entitled bunch of hippocrites.
It floods everything, you can not even use the steps for the waterfall coming down them.
Thats an excellent point, I wonder if Zach can comment on how he will fix this once elected....
Let's start a write in campaign to get Zach elected. Let's GO ZACH!!!
Why wait till election?
Let's have a recall vote and put him in office now. Everyone whined about recalling the current city commission, so why not?
Either make poopy or get off the pot.......
Zach L. Bryant for Commission...his slogan... "MAKE POOPY OR GET OFF THE POT!"
Please send all monetary donations to Bryant Hardware....
Hey his running mate can be Jim Sybrant, Zach can sell the tin for the windows and Jim can put it up on the buildings.
Zach has my vote.
Haha thank you whoever for the confidence but I'd be kida like George Carlin as the Pope. Fun to be around but not very good in office. Would probably make a fun movie but I honestly feel there has to be more qualified people than me. Thank you again but I did not mean to be such a distraction on this blog. Thank you everyone for your thoughts on the hospital.
P.S. I don't sell tin.
You may not sale tin but you may be just what the city needs to turn things around. You think about the city and the people more then yourself. You don't sale tin but you also wont sale out.
Lowe's??
What about Lowes?? Can't we get past the idea of Lowes and understand that that is one of the things that the City made the right dession on? Look at the ecomony people aren't doing home improvements. Lowes wouldn't even be open yet. It would end up being just another empty building 5 years from now that your tax dollars would still be paying for. How would that be good? Get over it. Move on. Start thinking of ways to helo the town. Not dwell on what has. Think of what we need. I think the best thing for the town would be if everyone stopped talking about Lowes!!!!!
What exactly do people go to Lowe's to buy that they can not buy here, anyway?
Nothing. Same goes for Wal-mart. I have not been to Wal-mart in three years. There is nothing I can't find in town that I can get at Wal-mart
We have been trying to build a fence.
Cant get materials in town anywhere.
May not even be able to get a contractor.
Lowes is our only option looks like. unless we go to wichita..
Haven't seen fabric anywhere else or some craft supplies. Also shoes are only minimally available at Stage. Same with socks and underwear and baby stuff.
I have not built a fence but woods doesn't carry things? family Dollar for socks and underware. Not that Stage or family dollar are any better. If there was some place to by such things would you? You are right that part of the reason I am able to not shop at Wal-Mart is that I do order things online from small vendors.
Online shopping has become huge.
Some of our local merchants are selling things online and adding to their sales that way.
Materials for a wood - or even plastic - privacy fence are just not available in Ark City. Nor in Winfield.
We did find a contractor.
He is buying the material at Lowes.
Im sure part of his price is the cost of going there to get all that wood.
Wood is cheaper than plastic or other materials. I shouldnt say plastic, its some other material.
We did find a local contractor who gave us a better price than what Lowes wanted for installation.
I can't believe Woods did not carry wood or plastic fencing materials. That's too bad.
Side note: My mother lives in the boonies of New Mexico. She goes to town for groceries once a month and gets EVERYTHING else online. Internet shopping keeps her sane.
How many people do you think follow the laaw an pay the local sales tax on what is purchased over the net. Online shopping is more than likely the best way to get the best price but it does hurt the local sales tax revenue and WILL HURT IN THE SUPPORTFOR THE LOCAL HOSPITAL if we can not keep prices down to be competitive rather than raise prices locally on domestic goods to get the money for the hospital for the next ten years. I bet the hospital folks never took that in to consideration when it comes down to how people will take care of their money. And for you all who really have not paid much attention to this problem our on Kansas League of Municilpalites has been looking at this for years and so has the National League.
Fact if you order it from a state who has no sales tax you the private JOE six PACK
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