Having folks give me topics would help too.
We could talk about national and world events as well as local.
Later today I am going to look around and find some stats on the death penalty.
Ill post what I find.
But you know you can make numbers say whatever you want them to say.
Someone said ... "figures don't lie, but liars figure"
Here are some sayings of the buddha
One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.
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Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and kind, they can change our world.
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What we think, we become.
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Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned.
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Interesting that we might walk into a danger zone if we don't attach more reasoning to the phrase, "What we think, we become."
It is important to realize that where we walk or spend our time influences what we think. WE are not human islands independently formualting thoughts from nothing. Those thoughts yield from the omapny we keep and even the entertainment we embrace.
In some other discussions on your blog, folks have assigned thoughts, or mindsets to others based on movie plots which, they felt, gave them an insight into the mind of another people.
Their thoughts towards the other people clearly were influenced by the fiction with which they amused themselves.
So, in order to direct your thoughts in the way which you might prefer to go, be careful of your surroundings.
"So, in order to direct your thoughts in the way which you might prefer to go, be careful of your surroundings."
I agree. It is most important to seek and acquire knowledge and most importantly, diversity of exposure. Don't just limit yourself to reading and exposure to things you already know or have an opinion about.
If you are into religion, dig into philosophy as well. It will help you understand the Bible.
If you are uptight, check out the Joy of Sex. If you read only fiction, check out a book on how to rewire your house or a travel guide to the Grand Canyon. You might learn something, and at worst you will understand how other people see things.
If you are afraid of hispanic immigrants, then go to the college and take a beginning spanish class.
The worst way to waste your life is to fear knowledge and intentionally keep yourself ignorant.
There are way too many people who are publicly opposed to some movie or book, (preachers are the worst at this) but when questioned say they haven't seen (or read) it. Their opinions are based on something someone else said.
Too many people spend their whole lives reading dime novels and hiding behind their bibles and bible books for their sole source of knowledge.
We are influenced by the sum of our knowledge and experiences. According to Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda), it is only those things that we don't know that we really fear.
If you die at old age and you have never done anything and didn't learn anything, then.......?
Spend this year learning about Sylvia Plath.
Spend next year learning about La Brea Tar Pits.
Spend the next year learning about spreadsheets and word processing.
Spend the next year studying the history of the Wehrmacht officer corp.
These things would take only about a month to master.
You will eventually know a lot about the world.
A sheltered life is a wasted life.
Good post.
I agree for the most part.
I would add that i know several opponents of the bible who have not read it.
There are people who just dont like christians and they dont know much about it really.
Would be better to increase one's understanding of those you dont agree with.
I think i was plato who said if you dont understand your opponent's position, you do not truly understand your own.
So Charles, you're saying that what ever I'm watching on tv right now is going to influence on what I think about you or someone on here?! :) Ha! Ha! just teasing!
Anyways, the previous post applies to keeping your brain sharp and slows the progress of dementia and other memory related diseases. Take a different route when you are out for your sunday drive. Turn right instead of left. Do anything different then what you are used to!!!!!
Sounds like someone got a Ziggy "thought for the day" inspirational calendar. Free your mind, love your neighbor...We can post "A famous person once said..." until the cows come home. Wonderful sentiments all, but if that is what this blog is about, your posts will go from 40 or more per to about 8. (Casteneda's works are so full of contradictions and discrepancies that they can only be viewed as fiction by any learned reader. Nice philosophical musings can be pulled from his works, which by the way, is how he wrote them in the first place, but we can pull philosophy from anywhere. Even motorcycle maintenance.)
UT 73
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Love it, love it.
UT built their biggest lead of the game while Flake was playing and cruised after he wussed out.
Wow. I'm blown away.
Yes. Castaneda is fiction. So is Plath.
As another great philosopher once said,: "Don't surround yourself with yourself, move on back two squares".
Good job grasshopper.
Don Quixote to Sancho Panza:
"There is no proverb that is not true, as they are all observations based on experience itself, the Mother of all Sciences."
Wonderful sentiments all, but if that is what this blog is about, your posts will go from 40 or more per to about 8.
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There will be plenty of controversial topics.
Nothing wrong with encouraging people to actually think is there?
The beauty of written thought is that one can always revisit the textif they are uncertain of its context or content.
The challenge with written text is that, once released, the interpretation is solely that of the reader.
Such is life!
Another of life's maladies is that we only get the benefit of spell check if we use it. I usually do. Sometimes I don't. Maybe others can tell the difference?
But Castaneda argued until his death that what he wrote actually happened to him. Even after it was proven his psychoactive experiences in DJ's hut actually took place in a UC library. It was also proven many of his ideas were plagiarized. It's a neat compilation of philosophy, but Carlos is hardly a "great philosopher." I'm not sure I would call the bass player of a 70's prog-rock band a "great philosopher" either. But they were awesome on the round stage at Allen Field House in Lawrence in 74!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7904222.stm
I think bob dylan was a great philosopher.
While he may not have had all that many original ideas, he was able to communicate things in a way that few can.
Obama aims to halve deficit by end of first term. Just like Bush's goal, but with an extra "l".
W stocks up on flashlights, batteries, and lube at local hardware store. Does he know something we don't?
Still bashing Bush after all this time? Yet you say that those of us who disagree with Obama should support him because he is our President.
Hypocrite.
In today's economy he was offered a job as a greeter (not a salesman) in a hardware store.
It speaks volumes. And he didn't get it.
"Still bashing Bush after all this time?"
You've gotta be freaking kidding me.
After all this time? There are still repugs bashing Bill Clinton.
Asking for a hall pass for W the idiot after 1 month?
No way Jose.
Not on my watch.
I dont think the pubs will ever get over clinton.
and the dems will never get over bush.
Maybe they should try to get over themselves first :)
The irony is the "Hypocrite" writer was one of the ones bashing Bill Clinton.
Ahem, snicker, snicker, nyuck, nyuck hahahahahahahahaha.
Isn't life neat? It is a wonderful time to be alive.
"dems will never get over bush"
No it will be our kids and grandkids that won't get over Bush.
It's called a "Legacy". Like Hoover.
There were tent city Hoovervilles where people lived when they lost their homes.
Let's hope the Bush legacy doesn't get that bad.
Traveler Editor said,
"I would add that i know several opponents of the bible who have not read it."
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I also know several people who claim to love the Bible who have not read it...
"No it will be our kids and grandkids that won't get over Bush."
Look, I'm no fan of Bush either, but the current economic downturn began on Clinton's watch, when the democrats changed the lending laws so that their voters (the poor and unfortunate masses) could get loans that they had no way of paying back. THAT is why the housing market busted, and THAT is what your kids and grandkids will be paying for after Obama saves Pelosi's mice with this trillion dollar bailout plan. Look into it if you don't believe me.
I deleted the last post. It was that tired old 100 or so contradictions in the bible.
Its out of context and otherwise stupid stuff that a slow third grader could expose.
Like contradictions between the first and second creation stories found in Genesis 1 and 2.
Anyway, our policy is to delete offensive material.
It was just a link to another article. The attitude in it is very insulting and offensive.
If anyone wants to talk about an actual "problem" in the bible, we can do that.
Im not allowing a link to someone else's list that takes things out of context and creates contradictions.
The few "problems" that do exist are things that dont matter at all.
when the democrats changed the lending laws so that their voters (the poor and unfortunate masses) could get loans that they had no way of paying back.
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True, and then the republicans removed restrictions on certain business practices.
Put the two together and you have the perfect storm that created the mess we are in.
Im for rejecting both parties until they get it together.
"Credit Default Swaps became exempt from regulation with the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which was also responsible for the Enron loophole. U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX) introduced the Act on behalf of financial industry lobbyists."
"The Modernization Act was rushed through Congress as a companion bill to the omnibus spending bill, the last day before the Christmas holiday. It by-passed the substantive policy committees in both the House and the Senate so that there were neither hearings nor opportunities for recorded committee votes"
Let's see: (trip down memory lane follows)
George W Bush has already been elected. Congress is controlled by Republicans with their Contract with America. The CFMA is part of the Omnibus bill, which funds the US. The congress has already shut down federal paychecks before with their "bury partisan legislation in the funding bill" scheme and is threatening to do it again. If Clinton vetoed it on December 21, it would have been resubmitted and passed under W in January.
Subsequently, Bush had 8 years to do something about it and didn't.
It sure looks like it was Bill Clinton's plan all along and had nothing to do with the Republicans or George W Bush. (not)
It is shallow and dishonest to try to hang this one on Clinton. This one is clearly Bush's and the Republican's handiwork.
I agree, generations in the future will be paying for it.
Don't just take some talk show host's word for it. Look it up yourself. You might learn something.
"I deleted the last post. It was that tired old 100 or so contradictions in the bible.
Its out of context and otherwise stupid stuff that a slow third grader could expose.
Like contradictions between the first and second creation stories found in Genesis 1 and 2.
Anyway, our policy is to delete offensive material.
It was just a link to another article. The attitude in it is very insulting and offensive.
If anyone wants to talk about an actual "problem" in the bible, we can do that.
Im not allowing a link to someone else's list that takes things out of context and creates contradictions.
The few "problems" that do exist are things that dont matter at all."
So, instead of letting us read it and decide for ourselves, you censor it? Typical religeous response... Tell only one side and demand it be believed without showing alternatives. If it was nonsense, why do you fear it so much? The fact that you deleted it speaks volumes to your own insecurities.
"It is shallow and dishonest to try to hang this one on Clinton. This one is clearly Bush's and the Republican's handiwork."
You are mistaken. Clinton's white house changed the lending laws.
Your not going to win a battle over finding somewhere to place the blame on the meltdown. It was strictly due to special interest groups on both sides of the asile.
There had been warnings prior to the S&L scandal, the Internet Bubble, Energy deregulation, and the housing bubble. Along with other related events.
Money chasing money - chasing
money - chasing .....
BTW - Do you really think it was just as simple as an act of irresponsibility on the part of just a few people or groups?
During the S&L scandal real estate and development went way beyond demand. They built buildings with no tenants that set idle!
During the ramp up to Y2K and the Internet explosion there was a rush to meet demand. Internet companies stocks went crazy - inflated way beyond their value.
There have been warnings about the auto industry on going for years - they could/would not be able to meet their contract obligations.
After Enron imploded I met a person who worked for Williams Pipeline. He had all of his retirement in their stock. Something like $500,000. He said he knew he should have deversified it but - after all - leaving in the company stock was how it got so big!
Some would choose to blame low interst rates. But in a world economy each time rates were raised money would come from all over the world seeking the higher return.
There were clear warnings about using homes as ATMs. Borrowing against the appreciated valuation of property/homes.
Then recently I don't know how many people I've heard say they were going to retire early - when times were good - just tell their money managers to figure it out!
Now they have to keep working!
There have been on going warnings about health insurance Social Security and Medicare!
It is you life - your money -
your decisions - who are you going to blame!
@February 23, 2009 7:44 AM
I agree. Blame Bush, Blame Clinton. Plenty of blame to go around. I blame both. I blame us. The man on the street. It has been said, "people ulitmately get the leadership they deserve." WE elected these people, then we get upset when we find they are not magicians. Here we go again with President Obama. I predict within 2 people won't be so happy with him once they figure out he's no magician either.
I predict within 2 people won't be so happy with him once they figure out he's no magician either.
February 23, 2009 10:17 AM
2 years
If it was nonsense, why do you fear it so much? The fact that you deleted it speaks volumes to your own insecurities.
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Well it starts out saying anyone who doesnt agree with their charade is an idiot and it gets worse from there.
And it is a link to something written in 1992
I said if anyone wants to talk about any problems in the bible I would do that ... tell me exactly how that is narrow minded on my part.
I am no expert but do like to read and research those I consider to be knowledgable. I like to search out what I believe to be the truth.
So: The answer must lie in the return of true competition and true investment.
Competition never gauranteed success - and bringing back old jobs, industries products from other countries isn't gauranteed.
But competition does promote doing things smarter, better and more efficient. Certainly not always the cheapest - and sometimes when all things are considered just as competitive.
Wealth creation - the increase in valuation or the manipulation of demand isn't investing in anything tangible and lasting.
You look at our area - we are willing to invest in vehicles all over the world. Yet we are letting our infrastucture, real estate/structures and business/job base deteriorate!
Why can't we find a way to invest in ourselves and yes pay a fair return on the invested money?
What would it take?
I am not sure we can look to the banks for this leadership at this time!
James said: "And it is a link to something written in 1992"
Has the bible changed much since 1992?
I really hate when people can't allow both sides of an issue to be heard just because they don't agree with it. That is the essence of censorship.. banning things you don't agree with.
i could put it back up if you all want that.
I just want you to look at why you took it down in the first place.
"During the S&L scandal real estate and development went way beyond demand. "
What year was the AC Office Building built?
Think about it.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/23/142917/564/864/700860
hahahahaha
Don't do that to me when I have a full mouth. I almost laughed milk through my nose. Verrrrrrrrry funny.
What year was the AC office building built?
Long before the S&L scandal -
But the point was that during that period speculators were buying land and building driving up prices and it continued until it the market collapsed and the valuations dropped. People lost money and the S&L's went insolvent.
Wasn't it Reagan to the rescue?
La Gonda what would you do with the AC Office building? I understand its privately held and inactive?
Maybe I was a bit hasty in taking down that list of "contradictions."
The reason I did was more the introduction than the stuff itself. The intro was insulting toward believers - basically calling them idiots. And it said that all arguments for the bible were only done by fools.
SO.
I found the list with the reasonable explanation for each alleged contradiction.
Most were really stupid. They are manufactured contradictions ... twisting words and such.
such as ...
on place jesus says "the one not for us is against us."
another place he says
"the one not against us is for us."
Obviously said at least a year apart in different contexts
Its stuff like that the writer calls contradictions.
Or.
one place it says mary and other women went to the tomb.
another writer says the women went to the tomb.
It was this type thing...
Mostly just twisting the text around to create contradictions.
yesterday i said the word "yes" later in the day i said the word "no" so i guess i contradicted myself.
There were a few that involved numbers. Most of these were translation problems.
The King James used the septuigant instead of the ancient hebrew manuscripts. So there are a few numerical discrepancies.
Like whether someone was 8 or 18 ...
the ancient hebrew texts do not have the discrepancies, and those texts are older and therefore more accurate.
Here is the link to the contradictions.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8986/101-Contradictions-In-The-Bible
As I have said.
If anyone wants to discuss issues with the bible, ill be happy to do it.
What year was the AC office building built?
To answer your question, my interest is historical.
It was built right before the depression. If you look at the construction of similar buildings in Kansas and Oklahoma there was a real construction boom that occurred right before the collapse of the economy.
If you look at just about every depression except 1893 (which was caused by something else) you will see that the real cause of the crash is an over statement of the money supply, either through un-funded penny-stock options (as in 1929) or credit default swaps today.
The symptom of the overstatement of capital is unnecessary funding and construction of real estate, which then collapses. In the '20's it was office buildings and big homes, some of them in rural Kansas.
Today, most of these are in the cities. But unnecessary unsupportable construction, just the same.
"Here is the link to the contradictions."
HAHAHAHAHA You found a list of contradictions that aren't really contradictions, written by some religious person who only chose the contradictions that were easy to dismiss. Congratulations on your search skills, and also for looking inside yourself when it comes to your censorship of others thoughts just because you don't agree.
The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan.
A good example:
MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
Jesus' last words
MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
God be seen?
EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)
God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)
Judas died how?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)
No that was the actual list that was posted ... and i just put one up with the explanations.
Below..
MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace.
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When i first read that years ago, i was thinking more on the spiritual level.
I just dont see that as a problem.
it could have been shown to him supernaturally ... or it could have been a vision ..
just dont see the high place as relevant at all..
you need to take the plain meaning of the text ..
youre reading a problem into it that isnt there if you take the plain meaning of the text.
When second coming?
MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Me thinketh that a few generations hath patheth since that was said, and yet, here we still are. hmmmm
While I agree that some of the contradictions on the list may be misunderstandings, or translation problems, many cannot be explained away so easily, and anyone who tries to make excuses for them are just blinded by their belief, and unable to look at things rationally.
Again, all of these are contrived contradictions.
You really want it to be untrue.
Thast not what really bothers you about the bible is it?
Here.
Jesus' last words
MAT 27:46,50: "
LUK 23:46: "
JOH 19:30: "
NONE, NONE, Not any of the three, NONE, say anything about "LAST" words. If they all matched exactly you would say they copied each other.
They wrote soemwhat differently just as any three people would.
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February 24, 2009 8:58 AM
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God be seen?
God CANNOT be seen:
This is is kinda silly. In rare instances God has shown himself to people. But generally speaking God cannot be seen.
Judas died how?
Again, plain meaning of the text does not contradict.
and anyone who tries to make excuses for them are just blinded by their belief, and unable to look at things rationally.
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Perhaps your non belief is blinding you and makes you unable to see rationally.
The ones on that list, and most lists ive seen, are contrived and easily explained. They are invented contradictions.
Show me a real honest to god error or contradiction on anything that matters.
Not some obscure number that no one cares about, but something of substance.
Show me :)
The bible has god calling bats birds. Wouldn't god know the difference?
LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
LEV 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
LEV 11:15 Every raven after his kind;
LEV 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
LEV 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
LEV 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
LEV 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,
DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
I used to believe that the bible was real. Until I read it. Then I realized that the only reason I had believed any of the wild stories (talking bushes, living in a whale's belly, noah's ark) was because the people I trusted (my parents and family) told me it was true. Kinda like with Santa Claus, I grew up and look at it rationally.
are you going to repeat every one of those "contradictions" listed?
If so, ill just refer you to the list i posted.
No need to go over it all yet again.
The bible is not a biology book, nor a math book, nor a history book, nor a geology book.
Im sure the writers were limited to the knowledge of their day.
I challenge you to look at it with intellectual honesty.
Many scholars believe all of this was fulfilled when rome sacked jerusalem in 70 a.d., something the writers of the gospels obviously knew nothing about...
probably because they wrote before 70 a.d.
If the agrument is valid, then the arguee doesn't matter.
-ANONYMOUS!
"Many scholars believe" doesn't mean a whole lot. There are many scholars that believe Elvis is still alive, or that Bigfoot is real (not saying he's not).
I would bet a weeks pay that there are more scholars who believe that the bible is fiction than there are that believe it is fact.
I would bet a weeks pay that there are more scholars who believe that the bible is fiction than there are that believe it is fact.
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Most scholars see it as a legitimate ancient text.
But it depends on what you mean by fact.
But most scholars - virtually all in the ancient text field - believe it was written (new testament) nearly 200 years ago and that it has been preserved very accurately.
I still say that isnt what really bothers you. :)
I guess it depends on what the word "is" is, huh.
What I mean by "fact" is that if something really happened, it is fact. If it didn't, it is fiction. For whatever reason.. metaphor, what have you. It is still fiction.
Superman comics use metaphor, it doesn't mean I'm going to worship Superman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c_P5wHr3fo&feature=related
What I mean by "fact" is that if something really happened, it is fact. If it didn't, it is fiction. For whatever reason.. metaphor, what have you. It is still fiction.
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Using your logic, you cannot prove world war 11, or world war 1 actually happened.
"Using your logic, you cannot prove world war 11, or world war 1 actually happened."
Well, we haven't even had WW3 yet, so it will be a loOoOong time before WW11 happens.
Even beyond that, what you said makes no sense. First of all, there was combat footage shot during both of those wars, and there is still all kinds of physical evidence and government records. Not to mention that my father was in the European theater during WW2.
I don't understand the argument I guess. If you are saying the bible is historical fact, then please point to some evidence of such. But really, it's not even that the bible doesn't contain SOME facts about the time in which it was written, as I'm sure it does. But so does the latest Superman comic. I hold them both in equal regard when it comes to believing in a god or gods.
"Superman comics use metaphor, it doesn't mean I'm going to worship Superman."
Superman is a metaphor.
See Neitzche and Ubermench.
Best studied while listening to Wagner's "Flight of the Valkeries"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI
Oops! was this thread about religion?
Well at least I got the apocalypse part right.
"Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be King over them - Bring them here and kill them in front of me!"
- Jesus (Luke 19:27)
Praise Jesus (Or else!)
You kind of missed the point of the parable. Why do you think it is so important to try and justify your disbelief?
Do you not think there were others before you who tried to convince those who believe there is no God!
He owns no property or rules no country nor does he have a throne on Earth.
He lives and rules in the hearts of man. Why do you seek him in the flesh?
You misunderstand. I don't seek him at all. In the flesh, or otherwise.
That's a long wait for a train that don't come.
Sorry but I don't misunderstand
If you were a good Atheist or agnostic you would just dismiss him and go your way!
You on the other hand want to disprove him or make others question their belief.
It is an obssesion that you can not resolve.
You are correct only in the fact that I can't believe that people fall for this bunk, and wish they could see past the brainwashing they received in their youth.
But there are a few on here who see things rationally, so I am content with that.
Now, if you'll excuse me, it's Sunday morning and the fairies in my garden need fed.
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