Jury rules Thurber guilty of capital murder.
Guilty on all counts
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36 comments:
He can't die soon enough.
It'll be a while.
I would feel comfortable with him serving a life sentence among the general prison population. Speaking of which why don't you have a blog entry about the news of the prison closing?
because it's not closing? Or is there a new development?
Okay, I went to newscow (natch) and found the story. They are closing one dorm of the prison and laying off 16 employees, but not closing the whole prison. What is going to suck is jamming all the prisoners from B dorm into the other two, especially since the three units were set up to harbor different levels of prisoners as far as behavior. I can't remember which dorm held the worst behaved ones, but packing them all tighter is NOT going to help the situation any.
Thurber is getting what he deserves. I said a lot of prayers in hopes he would not get off on a technicality. It's obvious his defense team knew he was guilty, they didn't call any witnesses and did little cross examination. Lets hope now that the jury serves him death penalty.
Winfield prison is not closing, part of it is closing.
There is a story in today's paper, and its probably on the web site by now.
Have mixed feelings on the death penalty though Thurber's crime definitely deserves such punishment,
It is also sad that not only has one family felt the loss of a child, but that another family will too, be it through the death penalty or life in prison.
Justice definitely does not equate to victory. It has been a very sad two years with this dark cloud hanging and today only a glimmer of sunshine broke through. It is a sad day in Ark City.
My continued condolences to the Sanderholm family as we all know life will never be the same for them.
I am glad to see justice being served.
No matter how one feels about it, it was decided by the laws of the state and country by a jury of citizens evaluating physical and historical evidence.
It is how it works. Now comes the hard part. Sentencing.
After this is over, keep in mind that the jurors were doing their required duty and nobody would have volunteered to do this. They have all gone through a lot, probably more than most of us can imagine.
Let's cut them some slack and not make it a media event beyond what it will be anyway.
I'd like to thank them for their duty.
AMEN!
I didn't know just how horrific Jodi's death was until I read the published transcripts.
I think Justin should get the death penalty which is something I don't take lightly.
I feel very bad for her family but at the same time I feel very bad for Justin's family.
I can't imagine what either family is going through because one persons selfish & sick actions.
My prayers are with both families
I didn't know just how horrific Jodi's death was until I read the published transcripts.
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This is why it needed to be reported, and why some really bad stuff needed to be in the paper.
(Though what was in the paper could have been much worse.)
The public needed to know just how bad her death was.
I agree, it is a sad day.
If he is put to death, there will be no joy in that. The death penalty should only be used in extreme cases. The jury will decide if this case qualifies.
It will be faithfully reported.
James said:
"If he is put to death, there will be no joy in that."
speak for yourself. I wish I could pull the switch. Or better yet, take hiim out in the woods and torture him like he did her. Only slower.
Lets be civil folks.
Its a real emotional issue. There's a lot of pain.
Maybe we should all try to overlook what we might otherwise think of as knee-jerk reactions.
JJ said: Lets be civil folks.
Its a real emotional issue. There's a lot of pain.
Maybe we should all try to overlook what we might otherwise think of as knee-jerk reactions.
I think you got the jerk part right anyway. I respect that person's 1st amendment rights to free speech but that doesn't make him (or her) any less of a jerk.
JJ I think you are right that this is a very emotional and painful issue. I know it's not right to jump someone who feels this sort of anger but at the same time, how constructive is it,
We are a community... we have all types living among us.. but we are a community none the less....and this hurts from a lot of different directions.
and this hurts from a lot of different directions.
Maybe it would be good to talk about your feelings.
Maybe we should refrain from commenting on other people's feelings.
The Sanderholm's have said that they are fine with letting the jury decide. They are happy with either the death penalty or life in prison. I am going to follow there wishes and let the jury decide and be OK with it.
It is interesting to look up which countries use the death penalty and which do not. Also, which countries have high rates of violent crimes.
I kept hearing stories of other young ladies in the community that were victims of bad thing from Thurber, assaults and such, not just driving by them or leaving roses, but other violent acts. I wonder if more of that will come out at sentencing or if it was just rumors or kooks making up stories.
Too many loopholes to allow a speedy execution. If he gets the death penalty, he gets an automatic retrial. He needs to be released into the general population at Leavenworth. The guests there would make his sins against humanity have a quick conclusion.
No, he gets an automatic appeal.
THis is the lawyers writing volumes to a judge somewhere.
An appeal could result in a new trial, but there is a difference.
I'd like to thank all involved with this case (police, lawyers, jurers, etc.) I'm glad to see this person was taken off the streets so swiftly and justice was found. From what I have read, I believe he would not have stopped with Jodi.
On February 13, 2009 6:38 AM Traveler Editor said...
This is why it needed to be reported, and why some really bad stuff needed to be in the paper.
(Though what was in the paper could have been much worse.)
The public needed to know just how bad her death was.
This is a serious question. Are you insane?
The only people who needed to know just how bad the murder was were the jurors. I did not need to know.
Are there any good murders? Are there any cases where the murder was nice to his victims while he killed them? Probably so, but we'll never know, because based on your logic, the public does not need to know the details of those murders.
The victim was brutally raped and murdered. That I already knew. i didn't need to know the lurid details. Really, I didn't.
If you're going to remove the rebuttal, you should also remove the first post that started the name calling.
The details may have been "lurid" but as judgmental as we humans tend to be, the details are necessary to justify a death penalty decision in our minds. Then maybe, if we don't agree with the death penalty, we won't judge the jurors so harshly if that's what they choose. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
you should also remove the first post that started the name calling.
Done
If you will take a few choice words out of there and repost it, ill allow it.
"This post has been removed by the author."
I have seen this and wondered... how does one go about removing a post?
... how does one go about removing a post?
You must be the blog administrator to remove a post - though I think you can remove one you have written.
If you find one you want removed, send me an email, and if I agree, Ill delete it.
Ill take down any personal attacks, slander or really bad taste that gets though, if its brought to my attention.
I wont take stuff down just because you or i might not agree. I also don't think i should take down stuff that might be wrong - reader beware.
Nor should I take down stuff that is just stupid. This is America, where a person has the right to be as stupid as they want to be.
Im writing a column for tomorrows paper about the Thurber murder trial and the death penalty.
Ill post it here tomorrow after the paper comes out.
send the email to jjordan@arkcity.net
Unanswered Questions:
Web posted Thursday, January 25, 2007
-Thurber's history questioned
By DAVID SEATON Staff Writer
The extensive arrest record of the man accused of raping and murdering Jodi Sanderholm has raised questions about why he wasn't in jail at the time of the alleged crimes or didn't receive more penalties for past offenses.
But questions about Thurber's past criminal record have been raised in the community and are common on Internet message boards.
A person with the user name, S23246G, on the Traveler's Web forum, posted the following last week.
"... if our justice system had worked as it should, then Thurber would have been in jail, and not free to stalk and murder innocent young girls."
A person with the user name, S23246G, on the Traveler's Web forum, posted the following last week.
"... if our justice system had worked as it should, then Thurber would have been in jail, and not free to stalk and murder innocent young girls."
Hospital not jail
In an interview last week, Wallace addressed the issue of why Thurber did not go to jail when he was questioned for disorderly conduct and impersonating an officer in Ark City a week before Sanderholm disappeared.
Thurber, 23, started to hyperventilate and complain of chest pains, Wallace said. Police know that suspects can feign illness when being arrested, but they have to respond to apparent medical problems, he said.
So Thurber was taken to the South Central Kansas Medical Center Jan. 1 for treatment. A policeman could have stayed at the hospital to arrest Thurber upon release.
But the crimes in question -- disorderly conduct and false impersonation -- are both class B misdemeanors and nonviolent, Wallace said.
It was reported that Thurber forced his way into a home on West Kansas Ave. claiming to be a bail bondsman. That is an Aggravated Felony Burglary.
The lieutenant in charge that day made the right call to let Thurber go and arrest him later, he said. Had Thurber been arrested and then taken to the hospital while in custody, the police department and taxpayers could have gotten stuck with the bill under state law, he said.
22-4613
Chapter 22.--CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
KANSAS CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
Article 46.--GENERAL PROVISIONS
22-4613. Prohibition against releasing person from custody to avoid cost of medical treatment; court order. (a) A law enforcement officer having custody of a person shall not release such person from custody merely to avoid the cost of necessary medical treatment while the person is receiving treatment from a health care provider unless the health care provider consents to such release, or unless the release is ordered by a court of competent jurisdiction. When the law enforcement officer is satisfied that probable cause no longer exists to believe the suspect committed a crime based upon the ongoing investigation, or the prosecuting attorney gives notice that no prosecution will be forthcoming at this time, the law enforcement officer may release such person from custody. Upon the date of notification to the health care provider that the person is being released from custody because the ongoing investigation indicates that probable cause no longer exists or a decision by the prosecuting attorney that no charges will be filed, the law enforcement agency shall no longer be responsible for the cost of such person's medical treatment.
(b) As used in this section:
(1) "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning ascribed thereto in K.S.A. 22-2202, and amendments thereto.
(2) "Health care provider" has the meaning ascribed thereto in K.S.A. 22-4612, and amendments thereto.
History: L. 2006, ch. 183, § 2; July 1.
CORRECTION! To the above post..
The following paragraph was not part of the 2007 story by the Traveler. It was inserted in the wrong place, by the poster.
[From other sources]
It was reported that Thurber forced his way into a home on West Kansas Ave. claiming to be a bail bondsman. That is an Aggravated Felony Burglary.
Why no comments on the last 2 posts here? I for one would love to know more about this and a comment on this. As the original poster has found out, I also think there is a problem with a system that can let this happen. To me by that post it looks like it was not supposed to happen at all. It looks very clear. I am commenting on this now because I just read the paper today and noticed that another person placed under arrest and was taken to the hospital and released. I wish somehow we could get a responce from the ACPD on this type of practice with relation to 22-4613. In my eyes, if it is important enough for a officer to take someone under arrest, then we should be keeping track of them.
As the original poster has found out, I also think there is a problem with a system that can let this happen. To me by that post it looks like it was not supposed to happen at all.
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It just sounds like a witch hunt.
Yea, there were warning signs. BUt you cant go lock up every person that exhibits some strange behavior.
It is hard to know.
Remember at the time of his arrest, police were saying if they had made a list of people they thought might do this, he would not have been in their top five.
Also, a man living nearby was at home when she was kidnapped. He heard their dogs raising a ruckus. What if he had gotten up and went outside to see what was going on.
Might have stopped it right there.
I just dont see the point of a lot of second guessing here.
The point is doing what we can to stop this from ever happening again. Is that not enough of a point? That is what Jodi's law was for. Do you not think that was worth it either. If there are things we can change in policy to help detur this, then why not try? Next time it might be your child or someone you love, but yeah lets just ignore it without even a discussion........I myself think this calls for Mr. Jordan to create a new topic to discuss this. Talking it out can't hurt and maybe we can get answers and solve problems that way.
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