Went to the OSU - OU football game last night. Great experience. I took a lot of pictures, and there is a link to them with this post.
Click on the title and it will take you to the page with the pictures.
Thats a new thing, so let me know how it works.
Sunday, November 30, 2008
Saturday, November 29, 2008
Remembering fights
Way back in the dark ages when I was in school, we had bullies too. We had fights. They were not usually in the school. They were usually in alleys or vacant lots after school.
Most often there was just talk. People would say "yea ill meet you there and beat the s**t out of you," but usually no one ever showed up.
There was not the gang fear going around, and there was only a little bit of drugs. But we did have a motorcycle gang that actually rode their bikes to high school. They thought they were really mean and tough, but basically everyone ignored them and there weren't any problems.
(I was in high school in the late 70's. It was east tennessee, so it was really like the 60's. )
The thing I remember though, was you had to develop survival skills.
Most of us walked to school. Even in the second grade, bigger kids would hang out and stop you before you got to school and "ask" for your money. So you had 15 cents for a snack, they wanted it. Or they would take your lunch money. And of course threaten to beat you up if you told.
(Telling on someone was the ultimate sin and you would never be forgiven by your fellow students. So it was something you just did not do. Even teachers badmouthed tattle tales.)
I would just say i didnt have any money and keep walking. One day one grabbed me and tried to search me. I escaped. The next day i brought a knife and held it in my hand as i walked to school.
They laughed at me over that, but they never tried to shake me down for change anymore.
I learned there that making people laugh could also get you out of jams too.
I started bringing toy guns and shooting at them, and they did too. It was pretend violence i guess. We had some great snowball fights. Sometimes people got hurt doing that, but ... it was not considered a major incident.
I was never one of them, but they decided i was a crazy kid and therefore cool. So I didn't get messed with much.
You can't always avoid a fight though. I had two in school. Both cases it was people picking on me to the point that I felt I had no other option.
One was actually in a classroom. This bigger guy kept messing with me. Sat behind me and pulling my hair etc., i had long hair back then. one day I just turned around and started throwing punches. He of course fought back. We both had bloody noses and black eyes.
I got a paddling and suspended 3 days for fighting. When I got home I got a real hard whipping and lost all privileges for a couple weeks, AND my mom made me apologize to the teacher.
My parents didn't even want to hear about why I was fighting. They had raised me better than that and it was my fault for doing it and I had let them down. They expected better of ME, and didn't for a second blame the school or even the other kid.
I took my punishment proudly. It was worth it.
Another time was in an alley after school. No one else knew about it, and we both made up stories as to why we had scrapes and bruises.
In both cases I became sort of friends with the person I fought with.
Often you win a bully's respect by fighting back.
It doesn't matter if you lose either. Id say the alley fight, id have to admit I lost, but the fact that i was willing to fight made an impression.
I wasn't some tough kid. I was smaller than most and not all that athletic or strong. I just had a reputation of not taking much crap off people, so it wasn't worth the hassle for them to mess with me. I would fight, even if i lost.
Just a different time I guess. We were just not as sensitive.
If my fight in the classroom happened today, would the police be called ?
Would it make the papers?
Most often there was just talk. People would say "yea ill meet you there and beat the s**t out of you," but usually no one ever showed up.
There was not the gang fear going around, and there was only a little bit of drugs. But we did have a motorcycle gang that actually rode their bikes to high school. They thought they were really mean and tough, but basically everyone ignored them and there weren't any problems.
(I was in high school in the late 70's. It was east tennessee, so it was really like the 60's. )
The thing I remember though, was you had to develop survival skills.
Most of us walked to school. Even in the second grade, bigger kids would hang out and stop you before you got to school and "ask" for your money. So you had 15 cents for a snack, they wanted it. Or they would take your lunch money. And of course threaten to beat you up if you told.
(Telling on someone was the ultimate sin and you would never be forgiven by your fellow students. So it was something you just did not do. Even teachers badmouthed tattle tales.)
I would just say i didnt have any money and keep walking. One day one grabbed me and tried to search me. I escaped. The next day i brought a knife and held it in my hand as i walked to school.
They laughed at me over that, but they never tried to shake me down for change anymore.
I learned there that making people laugh could also get you out of jams too.
I started bringing toy guns and shooting at them, and they did too. It was pretend violence i guess. We had some great snowball fights. Sometimes people got hurt doing that, but ... it was not considered a major incident.
I was never one of them, but they decided i was a crazy kid and therefore cool. So I didn't get messed with much.
You can't always avoid a fight though. I had two in school. Both cases it was people picking on me to the point that I felt I had no other option.
One was actually in a classroom. This bigger guy kept messing with me. Sat behind me and pulling my hair etc., i had long hair back then. one day I just turned around and started throwing punches. He of course fought back. We both had bloody noses and black eyes.
I got a paddling and suspended 3 days for fighting. When I got home I got a real hard whipping and lost all privileges for a couple weeks, AND my mom made me apologize to the teacher.
My parents didn't even want to hear about why I was fighting. They had raised me better than that and it was my fault for doing it and I had let them down. They expected better of ME, and didn't for a second blame the school or even the other kid.
I took my punishment proudly. It was worth it.
Another time was in an alley after school. No one else knew about it, and we both made up stories as to why we had scrapes and bruises.
In both cases I became sort of friends with the person I fought with.
Often you win a bully's respect by fighting back.
It doesn't matter if you lose either. Id say the alley fight, id have to admit I lost, but the fact that i was willing to fight made an impression.
I wasn't some tough kid. I was smaller than most and not all that athletic or strong. I just had a reputation of not taking much crap off people, so it wasn't worth the hassle for them to mess with me. I would fight, even if i lost.
Just a different time I guess. We were just not as sensitive.
If my fight in the classroom happened today, would the police be called ?
Would it make the papers?
Friday, November 28, 2008
Day after Thanksgiving
I took the day off yesterday, even from the computer. So I never got around to asking what people are thankful for.
Someone posted something nice about that on another post.
So anways, if you want to talk about what you are thankful for, please do.
We went out to some of Joyce's relatives and had a Thanksgiving meal that couldn't be beat.
(Does anyone remember Alice's Restaurant?)
They are fun people. They like games and such.
Im not sure if people are into games as much as they once were. I never can remember the names of games, but something like sharades, pictionary, trivial pursuit etc.
They had two Wii games set up. One for the kids and one for the adults.
I had never played Wii before, or been around one for that matter.
If you don't know what it is, ask a middle-schooler.
Its a great game but is hard to describe. You can bowl, box, play baseball, tennis and the like with a hand-held controller. You go through the motion of bowling, and the ball goes toward the pins and looks and feels and sounds just like bowling. Odly enough, when I tried it, i got about the same score I get when bowling in "real life."
If you were playing tennis you would swing the controller like a raquet.
Games just keep getting more interactive.
and more amazing.
So, what did you all do yesterday?
Someone posted something nice about that on another post.
So anways, if you want to talk about what you are thankful for, please do.
We went out to some of Joyce's relatives and had a Thanksgiving meal that couldn't be beat.
(Does anyone remember Alice's Restaurant?)
They are fun people. They like games and such.
Im not sure if people are into games as much as they once were. I never can remember the names of games, but something like sharades, pictionary, trivial pursuit etc.
They had two Wii games set up. One for the kids and one for the adults.
I had never played Wii before, or been around one for that matter.
If you don't know what it is, ask a middle-schooler.
Its a great game but is hard to describe. You can bowl, box, play baseball, tennis and the like with a hand-held controller. You go through the motion of bowling, and the ball goes toward the pins and looks and feels and sounds just like bowling. Odly enough, when I tried it, i got about the same score I get when bowling in "real life."
If you were playing tennis you would swing the controller like a raquet.
Games just keep getting more interactive.
and more amazing.
So, what did you all do yesterday?
Wednesday, November 26, 2008
meals
Here is something cool that is happening in Arkansas City.
We have a story about it in Thursday's paper, which is Thanksgiving Day.
Your paper will be delivered tomorrow - Thursday - morning as though it were a Saturday paper.
Anyways, three churches have banded to together to offer meals three nights a week, and they hope more churches will get involved.
Right now, New Life Fellowship (Monday), First Presbyterian (Tuesday) and St. Paul's Methodist Church (Wednesday) are offering the meals. They are from 5 p.m. until 7 p.m.
They are getting around 100 people a day. It is geared toward people in need, but anyone can come. They accept donations, but if you cant afford it, you are welcome to eat for free.
They don't ask for a donation.
This is the kind of thing I like to see happening. Someone saw a need and figured out a way to meet it. Others have become involved and it is growing.
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
school board meeting
Here is our story today
By FOSS FARRAR
Staff Writer
School district officials and administrators of Arkansas City High
School addressed the issues of fighting and rumors of violence Monday
night at a meeting of the Arkansas City Board of Education held at the
high school.
The issue of school safety was not originally on the agenda, but was
taken up after several fighting incidents and the spreading of a rumor
of a shooting have occurred in recent weeks.
"I expected that when we had the floor (for Monday's meeting) we would
be celebrating and talking about our (Breakthrough Schools) award,"
said ACHS Principal Marci Shearon.
She told the board that although school safety is a priority and a
small number of students had recently been involved in fighting
incidents, the student body had achieved great things in art, music
and academics.
"The kids bring you joy every day," Shearon said.
Arkansas City Public Schools Superintendent Ron Ballard told the board
and about 25 people attending the meeting that the school was planning
to put more staff members around the school and its parking lot before
and after school to prevent further incidents.
Ballard said video surveillance equipment that had been planned for
the school in a recently adopted $35.8 million bond issue would go to
the top of the list of projects to be completed.
One of the parents attending the meeting was Arkansas City Police
Chief Sean Wallace.
"If I were to give a status of how the school is, I'd say it's
completely safe," Wallace said today.
Those who attended the meeting included high school teachers and
parents of students involved in several fighting and bullying
incidents that have occurred recently and in years past.
Parents were given an opportunity to address the board, but nobody did
so.
Wallace said he attended the meeting to show support to the school
administration.
The chief said he has put four sons through ACHS and none have been
involved in a physical fight. "I think (reports of violent incidents)
have been blown out of proportion."
School officials told the board that they acted appropriately — and a
board member and police officials agreed — to ensure no violent
incident would occur after a rumor spread by text messaging among
students that a shooting would occur on a recent Friday.
But the rumor kept about 50 percent of the student body from attending
classes that day, according to the high school principal, Marci Shearon.
"Technology has bypassed the capacity of schools to respond with
fact," said Arkansas City Public Schools Superintendent Ron Ballard.
Wallace noted today that any communication such as texting done with
the intent to terrorize or evacuate a building is a felony.
"We need to take serious the text messaging," Wallace said.
Asked by a board member what she might have done differently after
rumors of the shooting spread on a recent Thursday, Shearon said she
would take a look at how the school communicates with parents.
"The cell-phone usage and the rate with which the rumor spread
surprised me," she said. "How fast or how horribly the rumor mill
spread would be something we should re-evaluate. Communication is
something that has to be essential."
Shearon said dealing with rumors was a discussion point among the 16
members of the high school site council. They include parents and
members of the community as well as teachers.
"At the site council Thursday we talked about rumors," she said. "We
knew about (the shooting rumor) but didn't know about it until 9:30
that night."
Another parent at the meeting, Kechia Reese — whose husband Daren is a
school board member — said her kids knew about the rumor much earlier
that day, at about 3:30 p.m.
Ballard addressed the communication issue:
"Why did the school district not put out a message to parents that
these were false rumors?" Ballard asked rhetorically. "Because we did
not know they were false at that point."
The Monday after the rumors spread, students were back in school, but
another fight occurred after school. It resulted in school board
member Daren Reese taking his children out of school.
Despite the recent fighting, police and school officials say that
overall fighting incidents have decreased over the past few years.
Wallace said over the past four years, fighting at the high school has
decreased more than 50 percent.
Assistant Principal Will Pfannenstiel presented discipline statistics:
Sixty-two students so far this year have received out-of-school
suspensions compared to 89 a year ago. Physical fights have involved
19 students, an increase of two compared to last spring. There were 18
such incidents last fall.
"The biggest issue is inappropriate items because of cell phones,"
Pfannenstiel said. "We have had 127 cell-phone infractions so far.
Those numbers are the fastest-growing category of discipline."
By FOSS FARRAR
Staff Writer
School district officials and administrators of Arkansas City High
School addressed the issues of fighting and rumors of violence Monday
night at a meeting of the Arkansas City Board of Education held at the
high school.
The issue of school safety was not originally on the agenda, but was
taken up after several fighting incidents and the spreading of a rumor
of a shooting have occurred in recent weeks.
"I expected that when we had the floor (for Monday's meeting) we would
be celebrating and talking about our (Breakthrough Schools) award,"
said ACHS Principal Marci Shearon.
She told the board that although school safety is a priority and a
small number of students had recently been involved in fighting
incidents, the student body had achieved great things in art, music
and academics.
"The kids bring you joy every day," Shearon said.
Arkansas City Public Schools Superintendent Ron Ballard told the board
and about 25 people attending the meeting that the school was planning
to put more staff members around the school and its parking lot before
and after school to prevent further incidents.
Ballard said video surveillance equipment that had been planned for
the school in a recently adopted $35.8 million bond issue would go to
the top of the list of projects to be completed.
One of the parents attending the meeting was Arkansas City Police
Chief Sean Wallace.
"If I were to give a status of how the school is, I'd say it's
completely safe," Wallace said today.
Those who attended the meeting included high school teachers and
parents of students involved in several fighting and bullying
incidents that have occurred recently and in years past.
Parents were given an opportunity to address the board, but nobody did
so.
Wallace said he attended the meeting to show support to the school
administration.
The chief said he has put four sons through ACHS and none have been
involved in a physical fight. "I think (reports of violent incidents)
have been blown out of proportion."
School officials told the board that they acted appropriately — and a
board member and police officials agreed — to ensure no violent
incident would occur after a rumor spread by text messaging among
students that a shooting would occur on a recent Friday.
But the rumor kept about 50 percent of the student body from attending
classes that day, according to the high school principal, Marci Shearon.
"Technology has bypassed the capacity of schools to respond with
fact," said Arkansas City Public Schools Superintendent Ron Ballard.
Wallace noted today that any communication such as texting done with
the intent to terrorize or evacuate a building is a felony.
"We need to take serious the text messaging," Wallace said.
Asked by a board member what she might have done differently after
rumors of the shooting spread on a recent Thursday, Shearon said she
would take a look at how the school communicates with parents.
"The cell-phone usage and the rate with which the rumor spread
surprised me," she said. "How fast or how horribly the rumor mill
spread would be something we should re-evaluate. Communication is
something that has to be essential."
Shearon said dealing with rumors was a discussion point among the 16
members of the high school site council. They include parents and
members of the community as well as teachers.
"At the site council Thursday we talked about rumors," she said. "We
knew about (the shooting rumor) but didn't know about it until 9:30
that night."
Another parent at the meeting, Kechia Reese — whose husband Daren is a
school board member — said her kids knew about the rumor much earlier
that day, at about 3:30 p.m.
Ballard addressed the communication issue:
"Why did the school district not put out a message to parents that
these were false rumors?" Ballard asked rhetorically. "Because we did
not know they were false at that point."
The Monday after the rumors spread, students were back in school, but
another fight occurred after school. It resulted in school board
member Daren Reese taking his children out of school.
Despite the recent fighting, police and school officials say that
overall fighting incidents have decreased over the past few years.
Wallace said over the past four years, fighting at the high school has
decreased more than 50 percent.
Assistant Principal Will Pfannenstiel presented discipline statistics:
Sixty-two students so far this year have received out-of-school
suspensions compared to 89 a year ago. Physical fights have involved
19 students, an increase of two compared to last spring. There were 18
such incidents last fall.
"The biggest issue is inappropriate items because of cell phones,"
Pfannenstiel said. "We have had 127 cell-phone infractions so far.
Those numbers are the fastest-growing category of discipline."
anonymously
There was a bit of discussion on another post about posting anonymously - the pros and cons thereof.
I think it is both a very good thing and a very bad thing at the same time. It is part of the brave new world of the internet. You can be who you want to be and create your own reality on here. Even if we did require people put their names on here, there is no way of knowing if it is real or not.
(There is a way, but it is costly and time consuming, so we are not going to do it.)
It aggravates the power structure, which isnt always a bad thing.
It also allows false information - and hurtful comments - to be spread without repercussion.
There is no accountability, which isn't so good.
People are emboldened to say things they would not ordinarily say, and I am not so sure that is good. Its easy to launch nasty attacks on here and hide behind anonymity.
I have picked at anonymous posters on here. I am not really opposed to it, but I still think people should be brave enough to stand behind their comments.
Some have said nasty things about me. I dont take it very seriously though. If you came to me and said it to my face I might. I might also give it right back to you :)
But I allow those. This way no one can complain about nasty things that are posted about them.
Above all I try to be fair and allow as much as humanly possible on here.
Ill allow anonymous posts, and Ill still pick on you for that from time to time.
I believe Arkansas City would be a better place if people got more involved, and if people stood up and spoke and were not afraid to be identified.
I think it is both a very good thing and a very bad thing at the same time. It is part of the brave new world of the internet. You can be who you want to be and create your own reality on here. Even if we did require people put their names on here, there is no way of knowing if it is real or not.
(There is a way, but it is costly and time consuming, so we are not going to do it.)
It aggravates the power structure, which isnt always a bad thing.
It also allows false information - and hurtful comments - to be spread without repercussion.
There is no accountability, which isn't so good.
People are emboldened to say things they would not ordinarily say, and I am not so sure that is good. Its easy to launch nasty attacks on here and hide behind anonymity.
I have picked at anonymous posters on here. I am not really opposed to it, but I still think people should be brave enough to stand behind their comments.
Some have said nasty things about me. I dont take it very seriously though. If you came to me and said it to my face I might. I might also give it right back to you :)
But I allow those. This way no one can complain about nasty things that are posted about them.
Above all I try to be fair and allow as much as humanly possible on here.
Ill allow anonymous posts, and Ill still pick on you for that from time to time.
I believe Arkansas City would be a better place if people got more involved, and if people stood up and spoke and were not afraid to be identified.
Monday, November 24, 2008
School board meeting
School board meeting is at 7 p.m. today at the high school.
The location was set months ago, but it is a bit ironic. They will be talking about some safety issues.
It would be a good meeting to attend, if you are interested in the issue.
It will be interesting to see how the board reacts.
School officials may have realized they could have handled the situation better, and maybe they will be looking at some new ways of addressing issues.
The location was set months ago, but it is a bit ironic. They will be talking about some safety issues.
It would be a good meeting to attend, if you are interested in the issue.
It will be interesting to see how the board reacts.
School officials may have realized they could have handled the situation better, and maybe they will be looking at some new ways of addressing issues.
Saturday, November 22, 2008
Latest volleyball
This is just in, game just over
Cowley College (5th) defeated Columbus St (6th)
25-16, 24-26, 25-22, 25-22
Girls got fifth nationally
congrats
Cowley College (5th) defeated Columbus St (6th)
25-16, 24-26, 25-22, 25-22
Girls got fifth nationally
congrats
Ideas, opportunities
Someone posted an idea on the Ideas blog, which i created last January.
I thought it was an interesting idea.
It would be more interesting if people listed the things they can't get or services they need to help identify possible opportunites/businesses.
I think that's a great idea. People could do that here. We could also use the "paper" paper in this area. Send in what you need and cant get here. I ll keep a tally and post it.
One thing I need a lot is ink cartridges. I have an old printer, so its hard to find what i need. Walmart usually has it, but even their prices on ink is too high. Other stores in town have them - but not the one i need - but ... they want like $60 for the set and I get it for $20 on the net.
What are your needs
I thought it was an interesting idea.
It would be more interesting if people listed the things they can't get or services they need to help identify possible opportunites/businesses.
I think that's a great idea. People could do that here. We could also use the "paper" paper in this area. Send in what you need and cant get here. I ll keep a tally and post it.
One thing I need a lot is ink cartridges. I have an old printer, so its hard to find what i need. Walmart usually has it, but even their prices on ink is too high. Other stores in town have them - but not the one i need - but ... they want like $60 for the set and I get it for $20 on the net.
What are your needs
NFL and dogs
Here's a new topic. Read this news item on Yahoo Sports and thought, Finally ! someone has said what i have been thinking for awhile.
From YAHOO SPORTS
Porter on Vick: 'All it was was dogs'
Miami Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter commented on the possible reinstatement of former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick and, as usual, Porter shot right from the lip, according to a report on EPSN.com. Vick was convicted for his role in a dogfighting ring and is serving time in a Kansas federal prison. He's scheduled to be released next summer.
"He's already been punished enough," said Porter (referring to Vick's possible reinstatement after serving his sentence), who owns a pair of pit bulls and a Maltese. "They gave him his penalty. He paid his penalty. What else should they do to him now?
"All it was was dogs. They act like they don't even like pit bulls anyway. That's the funny thing about it if you want to get back on that topic. I got pit bulls, I got to put them under a different breed just to travel. So you can't even fly pit bulls nowhere.
"It's a breed they don't care about. It's not like he was fighting cocker spaniels or something that they like. They don't really care too much about pit bulls."
My comments
What Vick did was bad. But, it just seems to me that people are too outraged and the punishment too severe.
Cowboy's Pacman Jones has repeatedly violated NFL drug policies, has seriously hurt people in fights etc., and didnt even miss a whole season.
Rams' DE Leonard Little killed a woman while driving drunk. I think he missed maybe half a season. If even that.
Little and Jones received full pay through it all. The Falcons want money they paid Vick returned.
Isnt there something wrong with our priorities here?
I love animals. I hate dog fighting. But is our culture sending the message that its ok to kill people while driving drunk, or to do weird stuff while on drugs, but not ok to do bad things to animals?
From YAHOO SPORTS
Porter on Vick: 'All it was was dogs'
Miami Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter commented on the possible reinstatement of former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick and, as usual, Porter shot right from the lip, according to a report on EPSN.com. Vick was convicted for his role in a dogfighting ring and is serving time in a Kansas federal prison. He's scheduled to be released next summer.
"He's already been punished enough," said Porter (referring to Vick's possible reinstatement after serving his sentence), who owns a pair of pit bulls and a Maltese. "They gave him his penalty. He paid his penalty. What else should they do to him now?
"All it was was dogs. They act like they don't even like pit bulls anyway. That's the funny thing about it if you want to get back on that topic. I got pit bulls, I got to put them under a different breed just to travel. So you can't even fly pit bulls nowhere.
"It's a breed they don't care about. It's not like he was fighting cocker spaniels or something that they like. They don't really care too much about pit bulls."
My comments
What Vick did was bad. But, it just seems to me that people are too outraged and the punishment too severe.
Cowboy's Pacman Jones has repeatedly violated NFL drug policies, has seriously hurt people in fights etc., and didnt even miss a whole season.
Rams' DE Leonard Little killed a woman while driving drunk. I think he missed maybe half a season. If even that.
Little and Jones received full pay through it all. The Falcons want money they paid Vick returned.
Isnt there something wrong with our priorities here?
I love animals. I hate dog fighting. But is our culture sending the message that its ok to kill people while driving drunk, or to do weird stuff while on drugs, but not ok to do bad things to animals?
Friday, November 21, 2008
volleyball
The Cowley girls won friday.
You can see more about it on their blog.
They play again Saturday at 2:30 for fifth place.
You can see more about it on their blog.
They play again Saturday at 2:30 for fifth place.
Volleyball
The Cowley Volleyball team lost its second game yesterday, putting them out of the winner's bracket. The score was
19-25, 25-20, 24-26, 25-23, 15-8.
They can still finish 5th with a win today and tomorrow.
They posted some about it last night, check the blog.
19-25, 25-20, 24-26, 25-23, 15-8.
They can still finish 5th with a win today and tomorrow.
They posted some about it last night, check the blog.
Thursday, November 20, 2008
volleyball team wins opener
The second-seeded Cowley College volleyball team defeated No. 15-seed Community College of Rhode Island 25-12, 25-11, 25-14 in its opening match at the NJCAA Division II Volleyball National Tournament played Today in Wisconsin Dells, Wis.
The Lady Tigers (28-6) will return to the court tonight at 5:30 as they will take on seventh-seeded Illinois Central Community College (27-9), which defeated 10th-seeded Iowa Lakes in its first match.
The Lady Tigers (28-6) will return to the court tonight at 5:30 as they will take on seventh-seeded Illinois Central Community College (27-9), which defeated 10th-seeded Iowa Lakes in its first match.
Wednesday, November 19, 2008
what do you think
• An Arkansas City High School junior who had just finished the first night of basketball practice Monday returned to his parked car to find religious slurs written on the windshield and side windows.
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You all probably noticed this on our site.
I was just curious as to how the public thinks we should cover this.
What do you think.
It is obviously a news item. But how big is it?
How big do you think we should make it?
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You all probably noticed this on our site.
I was just curious as to how the public thinks we should cover this.
What do you think.
It is obviously a news item. But how big is it?
How big do you think we should make it?
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
city commission
Here is the city commission agenda. Sorry i didnt get it posted yesterday.
The worksession was yesterday. The regular meeting is at 7 p.m. today at city hall. Meeting is open to the public and there are plenty of seats.
1. Consider resolution authorizing contract to transfer title of City Ballpark to Cowley College.
2. Consider five year plan for major street projects proposed for funding with KDOT grants and approve submission of application to KDOT.
3. Consider ordinance banning dog breed Presa Canario from City.
4. Consider charter ordinance to change ex officio member provisions for public library.
5. Consider Mayor’s appointments to City Boards.
Miscellaneous Matters from the City Manager/City Commission.
Adjournment.
There will be a public forum at 7 p.m November 20 at the Senior Center.
This is a chance for the public to talk to the commission.
Last time it turned into a meeting about the hospital.
The worksession was yesterday. The regular meeting is at 7 p.m. today at city hall. Meeting is open to the public and there are plenty of seats.
1. Consider resolution authorizing contract to transfer title of City Ballpark to Cowley College.
2. Consider five year plan for major street projects proposed for funding with KDOT grants and approve submission of application to KDOT.
3. Consider ordinance banning dog breed Presa Canario from City.
4. Consider charter ordinance to change ex officio member provisions for public library.
5. Consider Mayor’s appointments to City Boards.
Miscellaneous Matters from the City Manager/City Commission.
Adjournment.
There will be a public forum at 7 p.m November 20 at the Senior Center.
This is a chance for the public to talk to the commission.
Last time it turned into a meeting about the hospital.
Monday, November 17, 2008
AP reporting
Does this story seem biased to you all?
Former president faces hecklers in Kan.
LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) — Former President George H.W. Bush faced a few hecklers Sunday at the University of Kansas as he reminisced about his career and reflected on the economic and international issues dominating the end of his son’s presidency.
The elder Bush said it’s too early to know how history will judge his son’s two terms. He defended his son’s recent oversight of the current war in Iraq after discussing the decision in the first Gulf War not to attempt to topple Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
The former Republican president also dismissed the idea, advanced by many Democrats, that deregulation of the nation’s financial markets led to the economic meltdown this fall. He argued for continued U.S. involvement with China, saying that nation does not want to dominate its neighbors.
The crowd of about 2,000 people was mostly friendly, but security officers escorted a half-dozen hecklers from the auditorium while Bush answered questions from Bill Lacy, director of the Dole Institute of Politics, and submitted by e-mail. The hecklers appeared to be critics of the current president, and none was arrested.
“These guys yelling at me, that doesn’t bother me anymore,” Bush said. “It goes with the territory, and you have to get used to it.”
Bush, the nation’s 41st chief executive, came to the university to receive the 2008 Leadership Prize from the Dole Institute of Politics. He praised Bob Dole, the former Senate majority leader and 1996 Republican presidential nominee, and had kind words for other prominent figures — even President Nixon, forced to resign in 1974 because of the Watergate scandal.
Former president faces hecklers in Kan.
LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) — Former President George H.W. Bush faced a few hecklers Sunday at the University of Kansas as he reminisced about his career and reflected on the economic and international issues dominating the end of his son’s presidency.
The elder Bush said it’s too early to know how history will judge his son’s two terms. He defended his son’s recent oversight of the current war in Iraq after discussing the decision in the first Gulf War not to attempt to topple Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
The former Republican president also dismissed the idea, advanced by many Democrats, that deregulation of the nation’s financial markets led to the economic meltdown this fall. He argued for continued U.S. involvement with China, saying that nation does not want to dominate its neighbors.
The crowd of about 2,000 people was mostly friendly, but security officers escorted a half-dozen hecklers from the auditorium while Bush answered questions from Bill Lacy, director of the Dole Institute of Politics, and submitted by e-mail. The hecklers appeared to be critics of the current president, and none was arrested.
“These guys yelling at me, that doesn’t bother me anymore,” Bush said. “It goes with the territory, and you have to get used to it.”
Bush, the nation’s 41st chief executive, came to the university to receive the 2008 Leadership Prize from the Dole Institute of Politics. He praised Bob Dole, the former Senate majority leader and 1996 Republican presidential nominee, and had kind words for other prominent figures — even President Nixon, forced to resign in 1974 because of the Watergate scandal.
something to think about
There is a Paul Simon song that has the lyric ...
"all lies and jest
still man hears what he wants to hear
and disregards the rest"
I think it is quiet profound and true in many cases, and guides many issues.
Here are some things to think about.
** If someone were going to take a gun to school, or were planning to have a shootout at school, would they really announce it via a text message to everyone at the school? I know the text message went out ... but think about that.
** People i know of who are spreading tales of woe and fear do not actually go to the school, or are not teachers etc., ALL students and teachers I have talked to - some off the record - have said the incident is being over blown. Let's see. Those that were not there say one thing, those that were say something else. Hmmmm which one to believe?
** Security was increased. People were booted out of school. Yet people say nothing was done. They have an officer in the school, the SRO program, . they have bullying policies in place. Nothing is being done though ....
** What if students realized all they had to do was say "gang" or "gun" to get the school shut down for a day? If you were the average high school kid ... would that give you any ideas?
** Why do we say there is a terrible problem with violence, much worse than anywhere else, yet there is not a single victim or eye witness coming forward?
** Why is spreading gossip and rumors - which you know to be untrue or could not prove in a court of law - not considered terrorism?
** What if spreading gossip and rumors was a crime?
Of the stories you believe, or have told, how many of them do you absolutely know to be fact?
** Why is it that, when I have said a lot of people tell me it is being overblown - a lot of students who are there every day, say there were some fights but they are not afraid .. some say i am lying.
Kids off school grounds are not afraid to talk. Ive talked to kids in church, kids hanging out in walmart, skateboarders, and one with his parents at dillons.. All say the same thing.
Im still waiting for one person who is actually at the school every day to come to me and tell me they are afraid. Ill even meet you at a secret location and wear a blindfold so i can't see you, and you can disguise your voice so i cant recognize it.
"all lies and jest
still man hears what he wants to hear
and disregards the rest"
I think it is quiet profound and true in many cases, and guides many issues.
Here are some things to think about.
** If someone were going to take a gun to school, or were planning to have a shootout at school, would they really announce it via a text message to everyone at the school? I know the text message went out ... but think about that.
** People i know of who are spreading tales of woe and fear do not actually go to the school, or are not teachers etc., ALL students and teachers I have talked to - some off the record - have said the incident is being over blown. Let's see. Those that were not there say one thing, those that were say something else. Hmmmm which one to believe?
** Security was increased. People were booted out of school. Yet people say nothing was done. They have an officer in the school, the SRO program, . they have bullying policies in place. Nothing is being done though ....
** What if students realized all they had to do was say "gang" or "gun" to get the school shut down for a day? If you were the average high school kid ... would that give you any ideas?
** Why do we say there is a terrible problem with violence, much worse than anywhere else, yet there is not a single victim or eye witness coming forward?
** Why is spreading gossip and rumors - which you know to be untrue or could not prove in a court of law - not considered terrorism?
** What if spreading gossip and rumors was a crime?
Of the stories you believe, or have told, how many of them do you absolutely know to be fact?
** Why is it that, when I have said a lot of people tell me it is being overblown - a lot of students who are there every day, say there were some fights but they are not afraid .. some say i am lying.
Kids off school grounds are not afraid to talk. Ive talked to kids in church, kids hanging out in walmart, skateboarders, and one with his parents at dillons.. All say the same thing.
Im still waiting for one person who is actually at the school every day to come to me and tell me they are afraid. Ill even meet you at a secret location and wear a blindfold so i can't see you, and you can disguise your voice so i cant recognize it.
Sunday, November 16, 2008
Thinking it through
I had a professor in seminary who used to say. "It's easier to go to a consistent extreme than to stay in the middle of Biblical tension."
I think this is true in the world at large as well.
People naturally want to go to extremes, especially if they don't understand what is going on, or sometimes even if they do.
There are issues where the bible is not clear, so people gravitate to the extremities of possibility. It's the same with the high school.
There are conflicting reports.
The two extremes here are that the high school is an inner city war zone or a place of tremendous peace. If you think about it, you have to admit neither is true.
You would think that if it was all that bad there, we would have people contacting us all the time. We have not. Not even last week. All the people we talked to, we called or contacted. Even though I asked people to contact us.
I do think something happened. Based on the evidence I have seen, I think it was something that was taken care of. That doesn't mean it will never happen again or that there will never be any violence.
School officials could have communicated better. They should have.
At the same time, there are kids who would do something like make a threat just to make the schools shut down for a day. You cannot shut down the schools every time someone makes a threat. Having more security seemed to work.
There are discipline problems at all schools. It is getting worse as our society deteriorates and gets away from its Godly roots (let the anti-religion attacks begin). School officials can't do anything about that.
The problem of increased violence is not unique to a school. It is more a societal problem.
I think we can make a difference, but being an alarmist is not the answer. Hiding your head in the sand isn't either.
I think this is true in the world at large as well.
People naturally want to go to extremes, especially if they don't understand what is going on, or sometimes even if they do.
There are issues where the bible is not clear, so people gravitate to the extremities of possibility. It's the same with the high school.
There are conflicting reports.
The two extremes here are that the high school is an inner city war zone or a place of tremendous peace. If you think about it, you have to admit neither is true.
You would think that if it was all that bad there, we would have people contacting us all the time. We have not. Not even last week. All the people we talked to, we called or contacted. Even though I asked people to contact us.
I do think something happened. Based on the evidence I have seen, I think it was something that was taken care of. That doesn't mean it will never happen again or that there will never be any violence.
School officials could have communicated better. They should have.
At the same time, there are kids who would do something like make a threat just to make the schools shut down for a day. You cannot shut down the schools every time someone makes a threat. Having more security seemed to work.
There are discipline problems at all schools. It is getting worse as our society deteriorates and gets away from its Godly roots (let the anti-religion attacks begin). School officials can't do anything about that.
The problem of increased violence is not unique to a school. It is more a societal problem.
I think we can make a difference, but being an alarmist is not the answer. Hiding your head in the sand isn't either.
Saturday, November 15, 2008
After the fact
I really think the problem is that we have some people trying to make the Ark City High School situation into a major incident and those trying to perhaps say nothing at all happened.
Neither extreme is right.
There was a fight, apparently more than just your average scuffle, because five kids are getting suspended. They claimed to be part of a gang,so security was beefed up while it was investigated. So far there is no proof of a direct link.
There have been kids claiming gang affiliation for some time, and they do paint gang-like graffiti on buildings. That does not make them gang members.
Im not even sure it matters.
Bad kids can do bad things and not be part of gangs. I really doubt national gangs are going to be teaching local kids how to be mean. They can come up with bad things on their own.
I think parents were right to be concerned. But parents also need to see that the administration of the school did do something. School officials could have given out more information more quickly.
We did not get much from the school administration.
But, they are doing something and the police are doing something.
Chief Wallace gave us information.
They have a cop in the schools full time. The school resource officer, he is called, was able to break up the fight and restore order.
Then when the rumor mill got cranked up, security was increased.
I know there was a text message going around saying there was going to be a gun or a shooting or something.
They did take that seriously and you have to.
But, do you really think a kid who was bent on shooting up a school would send a text message warning his friends?
There are alarmists among us. THeir warnings get to be routine and you stop listening because its the same thing over and over. Spreading fear does not help, actually it hinders keeping schools safe and the community safe.
We also dont need a police state.
You could have 20 officers in each school and have metal detectors at every door and do 3 drug tests a day on everyone. Would cost a fortune and some kid would still cause trouble.
I just want to encourage people to look for facts and not get stirred up by rumors.
Be a part of the solution.
Neither extreme is right.
There was a fight, apparently more than just your average scuffle, because five kids are getting suspended. They claimed to be part of a gang,so security was beefed up while it was investigated. So far there is no proof of a direct link.
There have been kids claiming gang affiliation for some time, and they do paint gang-like graffiti on buildings. That does not make them gang members.
Im not even sure it matters.
Bad kids can do bad things and not be part of gangs. I really doubt national gangs are going to be teaching local kids how to be mean. They can come up with bad things on their own.
I think parents were right to be concerned. But parents also need to see that the administration of the school did do something. School officials could have given out more information more quickly.
We did not get much from the school administration.
But, they are doing something and the police are doing something.
Chief Wallace gave us information.
They have a cop in the schools full time. The school resource officer, he is called, was able to break up the fight and restore order.
Then when the rumor mill got cranked up, security was increased.
I know there was a text message going around saying there was going to be a gun or a shooting or something.
They did take that seriously and you have to.
But, do you really think a kid who was bent on shooting up a school would send a text message warning his friends?
There are alarmists among us. THeir warnings get to be routine and you stop listening because its the same thing over and over. Spreading fear does not help, actually it hinders keeping schools safe and the community safe.
We also dont need a police state.
You could have 20 officers in each school and have metal detectors at every door and do 3 drug tests a day on everyone. Would cost a fortune and some kid would still cause trouble.
I just want to encourage people to look for facts and not get stirred up by rumors.
Be a part of the solution.
Friday, November 14, 2008
school fights
There were some fights at school earlier this week. Five kids are under suspension and may face an even longer suspension.
They claim to be gang related, but police have not been able to confirm this.
Security is tightened, but school officials are saying things are calm and safe.
More in todays paper.
I would like to find some parents of high school students, and students, to talk to.
Contact me if you'd like to talk about it.
Call me at the paper 442-4200
or write, jjordan@arkcity.net
They claim to be gang related, but police have not been able to confirm this.
Security is tightened, but school officials are saying things are calm and safe.
More in todays paper.
I would like to find some parents of high school students, and students, to talk to.
Contact me if you'd like to talk about it.
Call me at the paper 442-4200
or write, jjordan@arkcity.net
Thursday, November 13, 2008
onion
Do you guys read The Onio?, www.theonion.com
here are a couple links to some of their stories
first president
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/historical_archives_general
the real obama
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/international_con_man_barack_obama
here are a couple links to some of their stories
first president
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/historical_archives_general
the real obama
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/international_con_man_barack_obama
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
speaking of holidays
Speaking of holidays, here is something that might get you going.
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — A local activist's proposal for a national holiday to honor Barack Obama's election as president inspired enough Internet chatter to briefly overwhelm a newspaper's Web site.
Sonny Scroggins, who has been involved in various causes, including efforts to promote black history, says he wants to celebrate the election of the nation's first African-American president.
"I feel like Nov. 4, 2008, is a very important date," Scroggins said Tuesday. "It's when America grew up."
The Topeka Capital-Journal published a brief story on its Web site Sunday about Scroggins planning to have regular brainstorming sessions about pushing for the holiday.
The Drudge Report took note and soon, so did bloggers from as far away as the Netherlands. Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin mocked it on her Web site.
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — A local activist's proposal for a national holiday to honor Barack Obama's election as president inspired enough Internet chatter to briefly overwhelm a newspaper's Web site.
Sonny Scroggins, who has been involved in various causes, including efforts to promote black history, says he wants to celebrate the election of the nation's first African-American president.
"I feel like Nov. 4, 2008, is a very important date," Scroggins said Tuesday. "It's when America grew up."
The Topeka Capital-Journal published a brief story on its Web site Sunday about Scroggins planning to have regular brainstorming sessions about pushing for the holiday.
The Drudge Report took note and soon, so did bloggers from as far away as the Netherlands. Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin mocked it on her Web site.
Tuesday, November 11, 2008
residential explosion
According to the scanner, there was a residential explosion near Atlanta, near the intersection of 77th and 131st roads just before 12:30 today.
Apparently related to work on a propane tank. As of 12:30 the house was in flames and propane was still burning.
The female was laying in the yard with an apparent broken leg. A helicopter was being dispatched.
She also had severe burns to her face and hands.
The status of the male in the house was not known.
Apparently related to work on a propane tank. As of 12:30 the house was in flames and propane was still burning.
The female was laying in the yard with an apparent broken leg. A helicopter was being dispatched.
She also had severe burns to her face and hands.
The status of the male in the house was not known.
Monday, November 10, 2008
county election update
After a canvassing of the vote, County Commissioner Gary Wilson was declared the winner by a vote of 1,906 – 1,894, Monday. The vote was so close election night, it was too close to call. Since commissioners are the ones who do the canvassing, Wilson excused himself and appointed Sheriff Bob Odel.
We will have an update on the regular web site later today.
Election night they were separated by 20 votes. By the next day, after counting provisionals, the margin went down to one.
No word on whether his opponent, Bob Voegele, will request a recount. He has to put up $1,000 bond to do that, and I think he forfeits the money if he loses.
We will have an update on the regular web site later today.
Election night they were separated by 20 votes. By the next day, after counting provisionals, the margin went down to one.
No word on whether his opponent, Bob Voegele, will request a recount. He has to put up $1,000 bond to do that, and I think he forfeits the money if he loses.
Friday, November 7, 2008
FIre alarm at Frances Willard
Firemen answered a call early this morning at Frances Willard Elementary School.
The fire turned out to be very small, coming from the teacher's lounge area. We heard someone say it was a problem with the microwave.
The school was evacuated, but children returned to their classes after being outside only a few minutes.
The fire was reported about 8:10 and firemen were headed back to headquarters by 8:25.
The fire turned out to be very small, coming from the teacher's lounge area. We heard someone say it was a problem with the microwave.
The school was evacuated, but children returned to their classes after being outside only a few minutes.
The fire was reported about 8:10 and firemen were headed back to headquarters by 8:25.
Thursday, November 6, 2008
Pictures
Ive had several calls late yesterday and today about our front page the day after the election. There was no picture of Obama and some people are upset over that.
I didnt mean any disrespect to Mr. Obama.
I picked local photos, I was thinking local. That is what we are, a local paper.
I checked, 4 years ago and 8 years ago, we did not have a bush picture on the front.
That was my motivation though. Just the local thing.
And it costs more and there is more involved in getting a picture from the associated press, so its not something you automatically think of.
What do you all think?
I guess we should have had an obama picture on the front. I guess every other newspaper did.
Oh well.
Just wanted to rant about that for a few minutes.
I didnt mean any disrespect to Mr. Obama.
I picked local photos, I was thinking local. That is what we are, a local paper.
I checked, 4 years ago and 8 years ago, we did not have a bush picture on the front.
That was my motivation though. Just the local thing.
And it costs more and there is more involved in getting a picture from the associated press, so its not something you automatically think of.
What do you all think?
I guess we should have had an obama picture on the front. I guess every other newspaper did.
Oh well.
Just wanted to rant about that for a few minutes.
The day after
Its been just over a day since the election. The sun came up again.
I heard several republicans whining yesterday. It was the same thing the democrats did when Bush won twice, and the republicans again when Clinton won twice.
I really think it is time to break the cycle.
Which is why I favor other parties developing and getting stronger.
I really did vote for Chuck Baldwin. Its a start :)
Now both sides need to forget about the election. It is over with, time to move on. Now we need to work on making the world a better place, and even making Arkansas City a better place. We can try to work with the people who are elected, regardless of party.
Someone posted that it really isnt up to them, its up to us. I think that is right. Political parties are just ideologies. In my opinion both are too extreme. The truth is somewhere between the two. The thing is, we need to get along now and work together.
Here is a bible verse on the subject.
Romans 13:
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
I heard several republicans whining yesterday. It was the same thing the democrats did when Bush won twice, and the republicans again when Clinton won twice.
I really think it is time to break the cycle.
Which is why I favor other parties developing and getting stronger.
I really did vote for Chuck Baldwin. Its a start :)
Now both sides need to forget about the election. It is over with, time to move on. Now we need to work on making the world a better place, and even making Arkansas City a better place. We can try to work with the people who are elected, regardless of party.
Someone posted that it really isnt up to them, its up to us. I think that is right. Political parties are just ideologies. In my opinion both are too extreme. The truth is somewhere between the two. The thing is, we need to get along now and work together.
Here is a bible verse on the subject.
Romans 13:
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Wednesday, November 5, 2008
election observations
Its just after midnight. It was an exciting and interesting evening.
I went back and forth between where the dems and pubs were hanging out in Winfield.
There were also some private parties and such. Also made a few trips to the courthouse. All of this was in a four block area, so I did a lot of walking.
I also set up shop a the Courier and was able to type in my updates from there.
The munchies were a bit better with the republicans.
And then there was the voting.
Both of the city taxes passed, which was a bit of a surprise.
The hospital won by a nice margin, 2190 - 1532. The street tax was much closer, at 1952-1754.
I guess the people of Arkansas City do want to be forward thinking.
This could be a continuation of good things happening in and for Arkansas City.
The county commission race for Gary Wilson and Bob Voegele was very close, with Wilson winning 1864 - 1844. They still have to count the provisionals, write ins and do the canvasing. Usually it doesnt change that much, but there may be a recount.
Wilson was cautiously optimisic Tuesday night at the courthouse.
In the other commission race, Alan Groom upset the incumbent Carmaleta Clarkson 2799-1801.
One big surprise was Steve Abrams win over Greta Goodwin in the State Senate race. Goodwin won Cowley County, 6786-6399, but the Sumner County vote pushed Abrams over the top at about 12000 to 10000. The folks over in Wellington are still smarting over losing out on the casino, and they blamed Goodwin.
The statehouse races went about as expected. Trimmer won easily 4484 - 2313, with 65.9 percent of the vote. No surprise there.
Kasha Kelley was a surprise only by the margin. She had 64 percent of the vote, winning 4,118 - 2291.
Everything else was about as expected.
I did notice, during the speeches by presidential candidates. When McCain congratulated Obama, people in the crowd booed - which McCain quietened.
When Obama gave his speech, he praised McCain and no one booed.
Just thought that was interesting. No comment needed eh.
I went back and forth between where the dems and pubs were hanging out in Winfield.
There were also some private parties and such. Also made a few trips to the courthouse. All of this was in a four block area, so I did a lot of walking.
I also set up shop a the Courier and was able to type in my updates from there.
The munchies were a bit better with the republicans.
And then there was the voting.
Both of the city taxes passed, which was a bit of a surprise.
The hospital won by a nice margin, 2190 - 1532. The street tax was much closer, at 1952-1754.
I guess the people of Arkansas City do want to be forward thinking.
This could be a continuation of good things happening in and for Arkansas City.
The county commission race for Gary Wilson and Bob Voegele was very close, with Wilson winning 1864 - 1844. They still have to count the provisionals, write ins and do the canvasing. Usually it doesnt change that much, but there may be a recount.
Wilson was cautiously optimisic Tuesday night at the courthouse.
In the other commission race, Alan Groom upset the incumbent Carmaleta Clarkson 2799-1801.
One big surprise was Steve Abrams win over Greta Goodwin in the State Senate race. Goodwin won Cowley County, 6786-6399, but the Sumner County vote pushed Abrams over the top at about 12000 to 10000. The folks over in Wellington are still smarting over losing out on the casino, and they blamed Goodwin.
The statehouse races went about as expected. Trimmer won easily 4484 - 2313, with 65.9 percent of the vote. No surprise there.
Kasha Kelley was a surprise only by the margin. She had 64 percent of the vote, winning 4,118 - 2291.
Everything else was about as expected.
I did notice, during the speeches by presidential candidates. When McCain congratulated Obama, people in the crowd booed - which McCain quietened.
When Obama gave his speech, he praised McCain and no one booed.
Just thought that was interesting. No comment needed eh.
Tuesday, November 4, 2008
11 p.m.
Results 60 of 60 precincts
provisionals and write ins yet to count
State SEnate District 32
Greta Goodwin 6399
Steve Abrams 6786
entire district
abrams 12000
goodwin 10000
State REp. District 78
Ed Trimmer 4484
John Whittington 2313
State Rep. District 79
]Kasha Kelley 4118
Gene Burr 2291
State Board of Ed
Dennis 6764
Casanova 5037
County Commission 2
Wilson 1864
Voegele 1844
County Commission 3
Groom 2799
Clarkson 1801
AC Questions
half cent sales tax
Hospital
Yes 2190
No 1532
Streets
Yes 1952
No 1754
provisionals and write ins yet to count
State SEnate District 32
Greta Goodwin 6399
Steve Abrams 6786
entire district
abrams 12000
goodwin 10000
State REp. District 78
Ed Trimmer 4484
John Whittington 2313
State Rep. District 79
]Kasha Kelley 4118
Gene Burr 2291
State Board of Ed
Dennis 6764
Casanova 5037
County Commission 2
Wilson 1864
Voegele 1844
County Commission 3
Groom 2799
Clarkson 1801
AC Questions
half cent sales tax
Hospital
Yes 2190
No 1532
Streets
Yes 1952
No 1754
10 p.m.
State SEnate District 32
Greta Goodwin 5000
Steve Abrams 4705
entire district
abrams 7628
goodwin 7154
State REp. District 78
Ed Trimmer 3351
John Whittington1879
State Rep. District 79
]Kasha Kelley 2818
Gene Burr 1660
State Board of Ed
Dennis 4930
Casanova 3732
County Commission 2
Wilson 1642
Voegele 1626
County Commission 3
Groom 1982
Clarkson 1248
AC Questions
half cent sales tax
Hospital
Yes 1439
No 1030
Streets
Yes 1299
No 1160
Greta Goodwin 5000
Steve Abrams 4705
entire district
abrams 7628
goodwin 7154
State REp. District 78
Ed Trimmer 3351
John Whittington1879
State Rep. District 79
]Kasha Kelley 2818
Gene Burr 1660
State Board of Ed
Dennis 4930
Casanova 3732
County Commission 2
Wilson 1642
Voegele 1626
County Commission 3
Groom 1982
Clarkson 1248
AC Questions
half cent sales tax
Hospital
Yes 1439
No 1030
Streets
Yes 1299
No 1160
9 p.m.
Here are some results, these are the results with only a 7 precincts
for the county
obama 1398
mccain 1866
State SEnate District 32
Greta Goodwin 1817
Steve Abrams 1456
State REp. District 78
Ed Trimmer 1375
John Whittington 705
State Rep. District 79
]Kasha Kelley 643
Gene Burr 552
State Board of Ed
Dennis 1,581
Casanova 1,328
County Commission 2
Wilson 339
Voegele 258
County Commission 3
Groom 820
Clarkson 570
AC Questions
half cent sales tax
Hospital
Yes 408
No 272
Streets
Yes 345
No 332
for the county
obama 1398
mccain 1866
State SEnate District 32
Greta Goodwin 1817
Steve Abrams 1456
State REp. District 78
Ed Trimmer 1375
John Whittington 705
State Rep. District 79
]Kasha Kelley 643
Gene Burr 552
State Board of Ed
Dennis 1,581
Casanova 1,328
County Commission 2
Wilson 339
Voegele 258
County Commission 3
Groom 820
Clarkson 570
AC Questions
half cent sales tax
Hospital
Yes 408
No 272
Streets
Yes 345
No 332
early returns
Here are some results, these are the results of advanced voting
for the county
obama 1211
mccain 1307
State SEnate District 32
Greta Goodwin 1484
Steve Abrams 1047
State REp. District 78
Ed Trimmer 967
John Whittington 427
State Rep. District 79
]Kasha Kelley 605
Gene Burr 536
State Board of Ed
Dennis 1,140
Casanova 1,100
County Commission 2
Wilson 339
Voegele 258
County Commission 3
Groom 487
Clarkson 365
AC Questions
half cent sales tax
Hospital
Yes 408
No 272
Streets
Yes 345
No 332
for the county
obama 1211
mccain 1307
State SEnate District 32
Greta Goodwin 1484
Steve Abrams 1047
State REp. District 78
Ed Trimmer 967
John Whittington 427
State Rep. District 79
]Kasha Kelley 605
Gene Burr 536
State Board of Ed
Dennis 1,140
Casanova 1,100
County Commission 2
Wilson 339
Voegele 258
County Commission 3
Groom 487
Clarkson 365
AC Questions
half cent sales tax
Hospital
Yes 408
No 272
Streets
Yes 345
No 332
almost 6 p.m.
Here is a cool link, its a "dashboard" type thing, where you can follow the presidential election
http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard
Im not really a political junkie at all, but this is kinda interesting. We will see if all the experts are right.
Ill head for Winfield around 8 and send in what i find out about every hour.
http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard
Im not really a political junkie at all, but this is kinda interesting. We will see if all the experts are right.
Ill head for Winfield around 8 and send in what i find out about every hour.
3 p.m.
I just went and voted at the agri-business building. It wasnt too bad, but they had been busy all day. I only had to wait about five minutes.
Looks like there's still a steady stream at the rec building.
Polls are open till 7
With this turnout, the results may come in late.
I almost forgot to add.
One thing I noticed was, that there was no one handing out brochures or holding signs near the polling places. In past elections they are there. and i think they have to stay 100 yards away or something like that.
Just seemed odd to me that they weren't there.
Oh well, It was a pleasant surprise. If anyone doesn't know what they need to know by now, im not sure a brochure would help.
Looks like there's still a steady stream at the rec building.
Polls are open till 7
With this turnout, the results may come in late.
I almost forgot to add.
One thing I noticed was, that there was no one handing out brochures or holding signs near the polling places. In past elections they are there. and i think they have to stay 100 yards away or something like that.
Just seemed odd to me that they weren't there.
Oh well, It was a pleasant surprise. If anyone doesn't know what they need to know by now, im not sure a brochure would help.
voter turnout
Voter turnout is really heavy. Dont put off voting.
This morning there is a line out the door at the rec center. People are having to wait in line 45-minutes to an hour.
Ill be blogging on the election as it develops tonight;
This morning there is a line out the door at the rec center. People are having to wait in line 45-minutes to an hour.
Ill be blogging on the election as it develops tonight;
Monday, November 3, 2008
work session
City work session went fairly quickly tonight.
The dog and cat licensing ordinance may not get passed. They are saying they want to do it to control stray - or ferrel - animals. And to make sure the animals have had their rabies shots.
Couple of the commissioners - Margolius and McDonald - feel you could get to the same goal without the ordinance.
What this would mean would be that your animal that gets out is more likely to be taken to the animal shelter.
There is the thought that they could just be taken to the shelter and if not picked up pretty fast - with the fines paid - the animal could be put down.
People shouldnt be letting their animals run loose in the city should they?
The dog and cat licensing ordinance may not get passed. They are saying they want to do it to control stray - or ferrel - animals. And to make sure the animals have had their rabies shots.
Couple of the commissioners - Margolius and McDonald - feel you could get to the same goal without the ordinance.
What this would mean would be that your animal that gets out is more likely to be taken to the animal shelter.
There is the thought that they could just be taken to the shelter and if not picked up pretty fast - with the fines paid - the animal could be put down.
People shouldnt be letting their animals run loose in the city should they?
city agenda
Here is what is on the city agenda this week.
they are meeting on election night.
today is 5:30 p.m.
tuesday is at 7 p.m.
all meetings are open to the public .
1. Consider ordinance adopting dog and cat licensing in the City.
2. Hold hearing on amended 2008 budget for Water, Sewer, and Tourism Funds.
3. Consider ordinance amending 2008 budget for Water, Sewer, and Tourism Funds.
4. Consider resolution amending City’s Open Public Records policy.
5. Consider resolution authorizing contract to transfer title of City Ballpark to Cowley
College.
6. Consider resolution authorizing contract to transfer title of structure at 101 N. 3rd to
Vinelife Family Church.
7. Consider resolution setting public meeting for November 13, 2008 at 7 PM at the Senior
Center.
8. Consider Mayor’s appointments to City Boards.
Miscellaneous Matters from the City Manager/City Commission.
they are meeting on election night.
today is 5:30 p.m.
tuesday is at 7 p.m.
all meetings are open to the public .
1. Consider ordinance adopting dog and cat licensing in the City.
2. Hold hearing on amended 2008 budget for Water, Sewer, and Tourism Funds.
3. Consider ordinance amending 2008 budget for Water, Sewer, and Tourism Funds.
4. Consider resolution amending City’s Open Public Records policy.
5. Consider resolution authorizing contract to transfer title of City Ballpark to Cowley
College.
6. Consider resolution authorizing contract to transfer title of structure at 101 N. 3rd to
Vinelife Family Church.
7. Consider resolution setting public meeting for November 13, 2008 at 7 PM at the Senior
Center.
8. Consider Mayor’s appointments to City Boards.
Miscellaneous Matters from the City Manager/City Commission.
Saturday, November 1, 2008
Predictions
I am not too into endorsing candidates, but I will make a few predictions just for fun. These may or may not be my preferences, it’s just who I think will win.
Obama wins in a blowout. Too many people just want change.
Roberts will win for the Senate. This race just never caught my interest.
Tiahrt will win the race for Congress, but I think it will be much closer than most people think. It could even be a November surprise, especially if the people in Wichita get out and vote. His opponent, Betts, is a very good speaker and had made a lot of points out of the fact that Tiahrt won’t debate.
At the state level, I think Ed Trimmer will win reelection by a comfortable margin. He speaks very well and his opponent does not.
On the other two I have some mixed feelings. I think Kasha Kelley will win, but it will be close. Gene Burr has worked very hard and an upset is not totally out of the question for that reason. Burr is a very good candidate and I hope he will run for something else down the road.
I’m not even going to touch the Goodwin – Abrams race for State Senate. That one is just too close to call and there’s too much emotion involved. I doubt the issues, or what they say, even matters to most people. I do think it is a shame that they are running against each other. We need both of them in office of some kind just to have balance.
At the county level I will pick Alan Groom in an upset over Carmelita Clarkson, and Gary Wilson to win re-election over Bob Voegele.
On the sales tax, Ill predict a win for the hospital and a loss for the streets.
There you have it. \\
Obama wins in a blowout. Too many people just want change.
Roberts will win for the Senate. This race just never caught my interest.
Tiahrt will win the race for Congress, but I think it will be much closer than most people think. It could even be a November surprise, especially if the people in Wichita get out and vote. His opponent, Betts, is a very good speaker and had made a lot of points out of the fact that Tiahrt won’t debate.
At the state level, I think Ed Trimmer will win reelection by a comfortable margin. He speaks very well and his opponent does not.
On the other two I have some mixed feelings. I think Kasha Kelley will win, but it will be close. Gene Burr has worked very hard and an upset is not totally out of the question for that reason. Burr is a very good candidate and I hope he will run for something else down the road.
I’m not even going to touch the Goodwin – Abrams race for State Senate. That one is just too close to call and there’s too much emotion involved. I doubt the issues, or what they say, even matters to most people. I do think it is a shame that they are running against each other. We need both of them in office of some kind just to have balance.
At the county level I will pick Alan Groom in an upset over Carmelita Clarkson, and Gary Wilson to win re-election over Bob Voegele.
On the sales tax, Ill predict a win for the hospital and a loss for the streets.
There you have it. \\
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