The city has updated the online video to show the Tuesday night meeting. People can view it at:
http://www.arkcity.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=132
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www.arkcity.org
select CITY GOVERNMENT from the list on the left
scroll down and click on COMMISSION MEETING VIDEO REPLAY
Also, many documents on that site.
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Hey James what about this bill?
HR 45 - Gun Control Bill
Right now it is sitting in committee...what do you think?
James, did you get my e-mails?
keeli, yes
ill call you
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Here we go again. Another odious gun control bill. This one is aimed at restricting guns, forcing people to get a mandatory gun license that requires licensees that move to register a current address within a prescribed period of time or face a penalty, creates a tracking database for licensees, makes it a crime to allow someone under 18 years of age to have access to your firearm, and on and on. Oh yeah, and if you do not keep your license current and pay the required fees, you cannot own a firearm, and if you lose your firearm or it is stolen, you have 72 hours to report it.
Maybe they should regulate spoons. After all, since our country has an obesity problem, it must be the spoons’ fault. Let’s license them. Anyone in possession of a spoon must keep it out of reach of anyone who is 20 or more pounds overweight, or face a fine or possibly 2 years in prison.
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2009/01/15/hr-45-here-comes-gun-control/
http://www.bornagainamerican.org/index.html
Watch the video!
http://www.bornagainamerican.org/index.html
Watch the video!
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Nice video and site.
I like the idea.
I don't like the title though.
Just something about them using the "born again" term, is unsettling.
Still its a good idea.
On gun control, i know people get upset at any rules at all.
I am not sure I understand what the big deal is about registering firearms.
You have to do the class and ID and all that for concealed carry. This doesn't sound any different.
Im sure someone out there will be more than happy to explain why registration is a problem. :)
To all who want to see a skate park in Ark City,
We have a meeting scheduled for Wednesday March 11th at the Rec Center at 6:00 pm. We will be voting on board members for the group and selecting the name of the club. Anyone with interest is invited to attend even if you do not skate board. We want everyone included meaning roller bladers and bikers as well. The meeting will be short in order to allow everyone to enjoy their evenings. Thank you to all.
Also thank you to the commission for thinking before putting in place the new skateboarding ordinance. The fines along with court costs are higher then a new skateboard so I believe you would end up with a huge pile of boards that were never picked up if this was the case. Scott made a good point of it being hard to punnish these children too hard when no alternative is being offered. It is important , I feel, to not ban the children completely from downtown due to the fact that many local merchants can benifit from them. Resteraunts, the Sport Shack, Spokes and Things, Bryant's, Graves, Taylor's and so on all get money from these kids on a daily basis so the last thing this town needs is to scare of money in the down town business district.
Thank you to all that are involved and those who show patience as we try hard to get a solution for these children.
Cool, the topic is the video of the commission meeting, but the posts talk of gun control! :) sorry, just had to throw that in!
but the posts talk of gun control! :)
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Yea readers of this blog talk about what they want, regardless of the topic.
Maybe I should not even put a title on there.
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These posts sometimes get steered in other directions, which is sometimes a good thing.
As for you question JJ, the reason that this legislation is bad is because it's prohibitive. It is just more red tape to give government more ways to infringe on the second amendment. This new law, if passed, would require a gun owner to pay fees and go through more BS than carrying concealed does now. All these hoops to jump through for a right that is clearly spelled out for us in the constitution.
Now, I don't want it to seem that I am for the idea that everyone should have a gun with no restrictions. There are already laws in place that supposed to keep convicted felons, people convicted of Domestic Violence, the mentally challenged, and habitual drug and alcohol users from owning or possessing firearms. Machine guns are also outlawed, as is explosives of any kind. These are all laws that I agree with, and have enforced.
However, these new proposed laws are just a transparent attempt to make it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain and own guns. It is a slap in the face to the Constitution of the United Stated, which clearly says that we the people have the RIGHT to keep and bear arms.
Imagine if you had to jump through all these hoops in order to keep your right to free speech. Would that hit home with you?
Zach,
While I do think the kids need a skate park, and someplace to skate in the meantime, downtown is not the answer. It is too dangerous. If my elderly mother was walking out a door and was hit by a skateboarder, I would be furious, and that skateboarder would be libal for medical bills. Please do not promote skateboarding uptown to the children who look to you for guidance. Thank you.
If you keep up with me I do not promote skateboarding uptown. Though I also can't find a case where any person has been harmed by a skateboarder. I understand your concern but also wonder when we started passing legislation off what might happen rather then what is actually a problem. The other day I saw an elderly woman knocked to the ground by a teenager exiting a local business. I also heard tale of an elderly woman backing her car into the side wells of her home. I'm not saying elderly people shouldn't be given the same rights as all of us I'm just wondering about making our community cater to them specifically. We are not a retirement community so I don't think all the laws should revolve around what "might happen to them. On that basis then skateboarding and bikes should not be allowed anywhere due to the fact that an elderly person may be walking there.
On a side note I had one heck of a nice gash and bruise on my shin where I was struck by a hover round trucking down the sidewalk of main street. It was driven by an elderly person who didn't stop to see if I was okay or slow their pace even. I have had the same vehicles pull off the side walks in front of my car because apparently red lights don't apply to them. Sounds alot like the same complaints as you hear about skaters huh? Should there be an ordinance for that? I'll now say I think there should because I'd hate to think what would happen if my 8 year old son was struck by one. Is it fair for me to want an ordinance due to the fact that something may happen to my son?
You are either a liar or an idiot. How exactly does an able-bodied person allow that to happen?
Sorry to resort to name calling, but your random associations are equally as childish. I don't even see your point. Yeah, old folks can be dangerous...are you serious with comparing them to skaters (sorry - sk8rs) or trying to make a point by going the absolutist route? (for example..."Well, if x is okay for this group, what about y for that group? Furthermore, what about z for that group over there? For that matter, everything is everyone's fault...") And you succeeded in debate with this logic?
My point is simple. If we set the standard by setting rules as what may happen then we should all be required to live in plastic bubbles and never leave our homes. But then even that is not exactly safe as the bubble may rupture suffocating us or the home could catch fire burning us.
Yep, I know its all good to bring up different topics, thats exactly why I put in a smiley face! I've even done it myself!
..."Well, if x is okay for this group, what about y for that group? Furthermore, what about z for that group over there? -----
Are we in Algebra class today? :)
Just want to remind everyone about taking action because there might be WMDs in Iraq. Or raising cut off and turn on prices might get more people to pay a bill on time. There are lots of mights and maybes in the world. Normally forming policy around them isn't a good idea.
"It is important , I feel, to not ban the children completely from downtown due to the fact that many local merchants can benifit from them."
That is the quote i was referring to Zach. It sure sounds like you are promoting skateboarding uptown. Sorry if I read it wrong.
I was saying not to chase them off. I ask all the kids to not skate the sidewalks uptown due to the fact that it is illegal and if one of them is caught breaking the law then they all get blamed. It is important to deal with this in a manner that does not make them feel unwanted just that the skateboarding isn't allowed. It is a fine line to go down but I think it can be achieved. I don't believe that taking their boards and charging them more money to get them back then it costs to get a new board is the answer. Plus as I have stated before there are times I don't see what the problem with them skating uptown would be. For now it is illegal but can you really tell me that after 7 pm people are still entering and exiting businesses uptown? You are correct though so any of the kids who read this I am not saying to skate uptown but I do believe a compromise can be made and one day you may be allowed a little freedom.
skateboarding and bike riding on the sidewalks uptown has been against the law for ages (at least since I was a kid), so why are you griping about it all of a sudden? It's illegal because it's dangerous. Just like running a stop sign when there is no one around... Aint that righ JJ!
Just like running a stop sign when there is no one around... Aint that righ JJ!
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I paid my fine and didn't complain.
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doesn't mean i liked it though.
We are griping because they want to take skateboards and charge a $50 fine plus $70 court cost. A little extreme if you ask me. Also since I was a kid they have closed the skate park meaning they took away one of the alternative places to go
I also notice that the street markers say nothing about rollerblades and the ordinance I have seen doesn't deal with them. Is it still illegal to rollerblade on the sidewalks or is that ok now? Not being smart I'd actually like to know.
Yeah, it's ok to rollerblade downtown, Einstein *rolls eyes*
By the way, some time ago I donated money to a representative of a skatepark committee of some sort, it wasn't much, but she seemed sincere. After a while of nothing happening, I checked and was told she had left town and took all of the money with her!! Do you know anything about this?
As the person you must be talking about. I did have to leave town. Before I left I gave all the money to a local church to hold until the skaters got started again. The church has turned over all of that money over to group Zach is now involved with. I am no longer working with the group but am very happy that they are getting started again.
Shows the importance of keeping good records.
I think Zach doesn't have a problem with what happened ?
Hey Zach, I was watching TV today and saw a show of a butch of kids skate boarding in an abandoned swimming pool.
I had a great idea hit me. Have the city give you boarders and skaters the old colored swimming pool at 8th and Chestnut.
They filled the pool in with dirt so all they would have to do is dig it out, they area isn't used that much, and there is enough land to make a beginner area on up to a pro. Just a thought!
Okay, I'll bite..
What color was the pool?
It was back in the day when the Blacks couldn't use the white swimming pool.
To the one rolling their eyes,
All I'm saying on the roller blading issue is that if the streets aren't marked and the ordinance doesn't say anything about them then once again they won't be able to stop people from doing it. After talking to Alan Brooks, owner of Spokes and Things, this weekend I found out that roller blades sales have been going up again. If there is no law or ordinance saying something can't happen then it will. More egg on the face of the commission maybe if all the kids were to switch to inline skating? So once again call names or whatever makes you feel good about yourself but honestly I have been researching the subject where as a lot of people on here just repeat what the previous person posted or assumes they know what is right. Ever hear what happens when you assume? You can do it to yourself but I believe I'm not going to let you do it to me:)
@ onestone,
I know.. I was just kidding. You said it was a "colored" pool, so I wondered what color.
I always say that to people whenever they say "colored" instead of "black" or "African American". Just a little joke. :)
@Zach,
I would be surprised if the ordinance was not written in a way to include rollerblades as well. They have always been written to include skates of any kind in the past I believe.
I have the ordinance and it says nothing about rollerblades or these fun shoes with wheels in the heels or scooters for that matter.
As for the money in the previous group,
Thank you for your donation. As JJ said not all of the records for the group were kept that well but I assure you there is still money that was raised that is going toward the new skatepark. This is why we are trying to get under the Rec Centers umbrella so that there will not be any question in the future on how money was spent. I do not believe that the previous group did anything imoral with the money though I just feel that there were poor records kept and a lack of orginization as far as where to keep the money.
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